35 years later...Roe v. Wade....some thoughts...

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by: spazeboy @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 13:39:09 PM CST

Followed the link (4.00 / 1)

you provided me....and did my thing! :)
thank you, spazeboy!

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by: tigergrrl74 @ Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 15:49:58 PM CST

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but who's actually GETTING abortions?? (4.00 / 1)

In American pop culture, the face of abortion is often a frightened teenager, nervously choosing to terminate an unexpected pregnancy. The numbers tell a far more complex story in which financial stress can play a pivotal role.

Half of the roughly 1.2 million U.S. women who have abortions each year are 25 or older. Only about 17 percent are teens. About 60 percent have given birth to least one child prior to getting an abortion.

Source : MSNBC. It's not the first time I've seen these same statistics.

The debate has to move away from the chastity and teenagers, that's not what it's about.  

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by: nolopro @ Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 15:21:39 PM CST

It bugs me that (0.00 / 0)

the movies and TV portray teens getting abortions but the statistics should really focus more on who and which age bracket of women are really receiving abortions!  It would make the overall picture more accurate.  I definitely hear you there!

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by: tigergrrl74 @ Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 15:53:19 PM CST

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It bugs me too that (4.00 / 1)

a lot of these movies involve teens who are pregnant and when they finally tell the adults involved the adults act with compassion and understanding, being supportive and loving for their child that is going to bring a child into the world for them to possibly raise.  What a perfect Hollywood world to present to us all.

Many parents wouldn't be so kind.  I knew of one when I was a teen myself and her father would have kicked her out of his house if she dared to tell him.  Then where would she and an unborn child be?  Yes, there are places to go, but I am only making the point that it isn't as simple as a movie would sometimes portray it.  (I have not seen Juno, by the way, only what I have seen on trailers and read)

It really is about education, and contraceptive availability.  Period.  Everything else is just part of the divisiveness that keeps good thoughtful humans at odds with each other.

If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.  If you believe in pro-life then you cannot support war, or the death penalty either.  I am pro-life, but it is so very much more than the fetus.

So what about the life after fetus?  Where are the support systems for children born to women who haven't the means to care for them?  Even if they were all put up for adoption at birth (do we want to try to make it mandatory, if a person is unable to support a fetus once born) are there that many people looking to adopt?  And again since we cannot make a woman give her child up for adoption how should we care for this brand new life?

It is all about education, and availability of contraceptive devices with the hope of prevention of unwanted pregnancies.  Every child should be wanted and ideally, planned so that the fetus has the best possible start to life, a life that may end up difficult regardless.

It was our own moral failure and not any accident of chance, that while preserving the appearance of the Republic we lost its reality. - Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator, writer (106-43 BC)

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by: CTpeon @ Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 16:34:29 PM CST

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Comprehensive sex education (0.00 / 0)

is important in these times, especially for middle school and high school kids!  I'm all for it, and also making contraception available (i.e. condoms) in the high schools.  Kids are going to do what they are going to do, and they might as well have the protection AND the education to make their choice(s).  In many schools across the country they only teach abstinence...well, okay, fine, abstinence is only ONE option....might as well teach the kids all about birth control so they can make educated choices!  

I shudder to think if that I became pregnant as a teen my parents would practically disown me!  It never happened thank goodness but its a scary thought!

"Waiting....waiting on the world to change"  --John Mayer

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by: tigergrrl74 @ Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 00:38:37 AM CST

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Education and contraceptive availability...tigergrrl74 I'm with you (4.00 / 1)

I would include ALL available pregnancy prevention devices, not only condoms.

Yes, not all family units work the same, or like the "Brady Bunch" on TV or even that new movie "Juno".  There truly are dysfunctional families out there yet from the outside looking in you'd never know it.

The friend I knew had a domineering father who almost "hated" women (IMO).  I'm no shrink, but I think she gravitated to sex with boys to fill the void her daddy left by not being a good father and role model.

Just say no to sex is like telling a child just say no to drugs.  Some will take the advice and others might dabble a little, still others will "go all the way".  One strong way to overcome the odds of a child taking the wrong route is through education.  Education that includes not only a clear understanding of the consequences, but also a plan and the means to avoid the negative outcome all together.

But really, the right does not want to solve the issue of abortion at all.  They don't even want to overturn Roe Vs Wade.  This little nugget is far too valuable as a wedge issue to use when they want us fighting among ourselves.

I once had a boss who talked to us about management techniques and although he did not use this one himself, thankfully, he said that in "management class" he was taught that there is a technique that is recognized as being very effective.    You create an environment that the workers are fighting among themselves that way they don't look to what management is doing.  They are far to busy fighting among themselves over fabricated issues.  Does that seem to be the way we are all manipulated today????

It was our own moral failure and not any accident of chance, that while preserving the appearance of the Republic we lost its reality. - Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator, writer (106-43 BC)

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by: CTpeon @ Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:34:15 AM CST

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Oh yes of course (0.00 / 0)

I would definitely include ALL birth control devices just as you said....was only using condoms as an example.

Education is the way to go when it comes to sensitive
matters such as there, believe me!  I know when I was younger, whatever my mom wasn't comfortable discussing
(when it came to sex, etc) she got me age-appropriate
books and if I did have questions, I could ask...and of course there was health class in school as well.

"Waiting....waiting on the world to change"  --John Mayer

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by: tigergrrl74 @ Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 03:13:40 AM CST

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