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Joe Is Not Your Friend

by: mattw

Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 15:08:36 PM EST

In my email today, Chairwoman DiNardo:

Nancy DiNardo, chairwoman of the Connecticut Democratic Party, said she believes party members have mixed feelings about Lieberman, though, "if you take off the war (issue), his record is very similar to Chris Dodd's." [...]

DiNardo, like others, said she doesn't believe Lieberman has changed much over the years. "He has been consistent. I think what we are seeing right now is the more conservative side of Joe Lieberman that has always been there," she said.

Congresswoman DeLauro:

U.S. Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro, D-3, was a fellow New Haven resident until Lieberman moved to Stamford, his hometown, last year.

"For the past 30 years, I have called Joe Lieberman a friend and a close friend of my family's," DeLauro said. "Our first priority has been and always will be the people of Connecticut and our work together reflects the importance they hold."

And finally, news of the much-anticipated Lieberman presidential endorsement finally surfaces:

Democratic and Republican sources say that Sen. Joe Lieberman, the independent Democrat from Connecticut and fierce supporter of the war in Iraq, will formally endorse Sen. John McCain tomorrow in New Hampshire.

The endorsement is further evidence of Lieberman's slow drift to the right in American politics and is bound to generate intense anger among Democrats who support him. But Lieberman and McCain have often walked in lockstep together on the prosecution of the war, have traveled to Iraq together, and have worked together on domestic issues like climate change.

The move will heighten speculation that McCain might ask Lieberman to join his ticket.

I suppose we're unlikely to find out if Lieberman just doesn't take calls from Connecticut Democrats anymore, or if he's in touch with party leaders like DiNardo and DeLauro and just plays them for fools.

The one piece of good news? From the New Haven Register article:

Dodd, who is running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2008 and living temporarily in Iowa, could not be reached for comment.

At least someone's learned to stop putting their hands into the fire for Connecticut's dishonorable junior Senator...

[h/t to Jane Hamsher & CGG]

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It's NOT "just one issue"! (4.00 / 2)
I can't f***ing STAND IT when people say things like "if you take off the war (issue), his record is very similar to Chris Dodd's..." as if it's a minor thing.  

We're talking about ONE TRILLION DOLLARS and THOUSANDS of Americans killed in what is possibly the WORST policy disaster in our nation's history!  People who dismiss it out of hand like Nancy DiNardo are callous and stupid.

It's NOT just one issue...it's THE issue!  How can't that be obvious even to total idiots like DiNardo?  

Connecticut Bob

Nancy DiNardo (0.00 / 0)
who still lists him as part of the CT Democratic delegation to  Congress on her website.

I'm going to write her a letter tomorrow asking her how she can possibly in good conscience continue to do so.

[ Parent ]
NANCY DINARDO (0.00 / 0)
I encourage EVERYONE to call Nancy DiNardo on her support of Joe Lieberman !      Remind her of his words during campaign of 2006, when he said he wanted a Democratic majority back and would back Democrats !


860-560-1775 phone


[ Parent ]
Joe already (0.00 / 0)
makes her life more difficult.

Please hold on the calls -- we'll have other people for you to call in this matter shortly.

[ Parent ]
too late (0.00 / 0)
She needs to start publicly stating that State Central will support a Democratic candidate to run against Lieberman when his term is up.

When does DiNardo's term expire as party chair, and is there someone else who might do a better job on this issue?

[ Parent ]
Turncoat Joe (4.00 / 2)
Apparently this is how Joe Lieberman repays Bill Clinton putting his good name on the line to support unpopular Joe's re-election bid.  I am so embarassed that Joe Lieberman represents my state.

"McCain might ask Lieberman to join his ticket." (0.00 / 0)
Or perhaps McCain/Unicorn '08 will be a winner.

Other differences between Dodd and Lieberman (4.00 / 3)
Lieberman wants to bomb Iran
Lieberman supports torture (waterboarding) and Attorney Generals who allow it;
Lieberman endorses laws that revoke habeus corpus;
Lieberman routinely endorses Republican candidates -- Susan Collins, Nancy Johnson, etc.

Lieberman routinely attacks and undermines Democrats, as evidenced by a simple Google search last month of the following phrases:

"Lieberman Slams Democrats": 842 hits
"Lieberman Slams Republicans": 0 hits

"Lieberman Criticizes Democrats": 333 hits
"Lieberman Criticizes Republicans": 2 hits

"Lieberman Attacks Democrats:" 242 hits
"Lieberman Attacks Republicans:" 1 hit

Lieberman earned his place in office with the help of movement conservatives like William F. Buckley, who wrote commentaries in support of having a minority elite rule over a democratic majority (by force if necessary), and who praised General Franco's fascist government. Conservatives overwhelmingly supported Lieberman in 2006.  

There's a big difference between Dodd and Lieberman, and Chris Dodd would do himself a world of good by pointing them out.

Dems for Joe and McCain (4.00 / 1)
A good time to ask Dems for Joe if they still back him or have any regrets.  Speaker Amann?  Anyone?

Freaken Joe ! (0.00 / 0)
DiNardo, Amann, and other Dem leaders in this state, who went in and pulled the lever for Joe last year because "after all he is still a Democrat", should be feeling like the biggest fools in the nation!      We Tried to tell them Joe was no Democrat, but they would not listen.         We need to get rid of these people and get some REAL leadership within the party .       I have had it.

Nancy DiNardo and James Amann should be censored by the party!    How do we do it?   Can we get a petition going?

Maybe working with KOS and FDL we can do this.

Time to take down Joe's picture at State Central! (0.00 / 0)
McCain wasn't a huge surprise. The big question will be in Joe's home district CT-04. If he endorses Shays some of us will totally let loose - if it's possible to write anything  uglier than the truth we all revealed about Joe last year.

[ Parent ]
However (0.00 / 1)
You're not disputing that its the only issue that he has a difference with you on - you're simply making the one issue of the war a litmus test for membership in the Democratic Party.  Which I believe is shortsighted.

Face it - the man is a Democrat.  However, by effectively changing the requirements to be a member of your party you kicked him out.  What did you expect?

And since you've mentioned our esteemed other Senator - I haven't seem much of him lately.  I would think that he'd be hard at work as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking.  Turns out he's actually moved to Iowa.  Literally, is renting a house there now, moved his family.  I can't help but point out that he wasn't elected to go stroke his ego on a quixotic bid for the Presidency.  Where's your outrage?  Couldn't hear enough of it during Lieberman's 2004 campaign...

ONE issue of the war a litmus test for Dems???????? (0.00 / 0)
Where have you been living for the last 2 years.     Joe Lieberman has sided more with Republicans over the last 20 years ONE IMPORTANT VOTES, than the few crummy ones he threw the Dems way !!       I am not going back and dig out all of the votes Joe voted with Repugs on, but believe me, if you had watched Joe in action over the years, you would have seen a flim flam man.    He would wait to vote until the end, and if a right wing vote needed his, he went Right.     If it did not, then he would vote Left.    

I cannot WAIT until November 2008, when we get enough members voted in to override Republican fillibusters, and we tell Joe to go to hell!     And those committee chairs are taken away from him!

[ Parent ]
wasting my time by replying to republicans... (4.00 / 2)
...but I also disagree with Joe Lieberman's position on providing contraception to rape victims.  I disagree with his sabre-rattling with regards to Iran.  I disagree with his decision to essentially say "fuck you" to the Democrats by actively and routinely bashing them on Fox News when he's not campaigning for Republicans like Shays, Collins, and even small-time Milford Mayor whats-his-face.  

I think that Republicans need to convince us that Joe Lieberman is a Democrat because it lends some mysterious and unquantifiable bipartisan credibility to their pathetic handling of the war in Iraq.

It's not going to happen.

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[ Parent ]
Excuse me? (4.00 / 1)
by effectively changing the requirements to be a member of your party you kicked him out.

Pray explain, will you, what exactly you mean by this bit of nonsense?

[ Parent ]
ridiculous (4.00 / 3)
You're not disputing that its the only issue that he has a difference with you on

Yes, we are disputing that. One perfect example: Dodd will filibuster the FISA bill that would give immunity to the telecommunications companies who violated their customers' privacy rights. Lieberman is for immunity.

So, that's just one example. Here's another: Joe's endorsement of Sam Fox, the Swift Boat financier and Republican cash machine, for ambassador to Belgium, so that Fox can promote America's neocon agenda in Europe.

Dodd doesn't do crap like that.

Now, back to the war: The Iraq War is THE issue of our time. Disastrous wars have led to collapse of governments throughout history. Two recent examples: The Afghanistan War pushed the Soviet Union to the brink. World War II devastated Germany and Japan. To perpetuate a disastrous war is a threat to our national prosperity and security, our military and economic might. There is no greater issue. And Lieberman has been on the wrong side of it consistently and relentlessly, to the point of lying about its progress, since it began. Lives have been ruined as a result.

When Democrats challenge Lieberman's and Bush's idiotic foreign policy and unconstitutional power grabs, Lieberman attacks Democrats. Considering Lieberman's attacks on Democrats and his public support of Republicans, it's clear that Lieberman is no Democrat and no friend of a Democrat, and the sooner Nancy DiNardo and Rosa DeLauro and other Democrats realize it, the better the party will be. And the better off you'll be.

Lieberman is as much a threat to your security and prosperity as he is to us Democrats. You just don't realize it.  

[ Parent ]
Can we set up a scholarship? (0.00 / 0)
So we can send adamjschmidt to troll school?  It would be something if he actually had a point to argue; that I would applaud, but no, instead we get the same old talking points drivel.  Booooooring!  Have an original thought for once man!

By the way adam, the issue people had with Joe's campaign in 2000, not 2004, was that he was running two campaigns concurrently; one for VP and the other to keep his Senate seat.  Typical Republican, can't get the facts straight.

One other thing, Joe kicked himself out by not abiding by the results of the Democratic primary, in which Connecticut Democrats, who were largely against the Iraq War (the same one you would not dare to actively support like most young Republicans) voted him out as their standard bearer because he chose to shill for the Bush administration instead of the Constitution.

When you finally learn something, come back and talk, until that happens, why don't you stay with your own contemptible kind over at Red State.

[ Parent ]
Were you awake during Joe's pathetic primary campaign? (0.00 / 0)
You don't have to have a D beside your name to admit that it was not  the best run campaign in the world.

Questions for you:

1.  When has Chris Dodd ever made strident, last minute false accusations against his challenger?  (website hack allegations)

2.  Could you explain why Lieberman has $387,000 in unaccounted for petty cash, but Dodd doesn't?


[ Parent ]
Joe's "no man's land" status clearly demo'd by your post (0.00 / 0)
We don't want him and neither do you.  The GOP thinks of him as a Dem; we think of him as a neocon war monger.

A man without a constituency is a lonely man indeed.

[ Parent ]
Lieberman and McCain have so much in common (0.00 / 0)
that one is mandated to endorse the other for

Vindictive (4.00 / 1)
Holy Joe didn't get his reputation as a vindictive son of a bitch for nothin'.  I'm amazed at how far he'll go to get even with the Democratic party for the sin of Connecticut voters exercising their right to elect the candidate of their choice.  

Who cares if he endorses McCain?  His endorsement won't do McCain any good.  It's just yet another illustration of Joe's disloyalty to anything other than himself and his Napoleonic ambitions.

Joe Lieberman is a small man with a huge chip on his cowardly little shoulders, and an ego the size of creation.    

LIE-berman (4.00 / 1)
I live in western Maryland ten miles from A RESORT called DEEP CREEK, alot of people from DC come here in both summer and winter to ski in the winter ,and boating and other things in the summer. I cannot aford to go to the lake, it is too EXP for me to drive by. Back to what these waitress have been telling me that LIE-berman was going to indorse McCain for a couple of months also LIE-berman will be invited to the DEMOCRAT CONV. as a special GUEST of H.REID, LIE-berman will also be speaking at the CONV as a spoke person for CT. MY question is HAS NED LAMONT been invited?

Get in touch with Harry Reid ! (0.00 / 0)
Tell him it is time to quit the games, and to kick Lieberman off the committees he is on, and put him out to pasture.    Only 323 days left till Election when Dems will draw enough more Senate seats for a true majority.   We are not getting anything passed with the 85+ Republican fillibusters anyways, so who needs Lieberman???

Harry Reid is the biggest Wimp in history of politics !

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