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The Last Honest Man Gets Honester

by: tparty

Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 00:27:55 AM EDT


Lieberman drops yet another huge load of manure on the pages of today's Wall Street Journal, with the help of comrade-in-mendacity McCain:

The Bush administration clung for too long to a flawed strategy in this war, despite growing evidence of its failure. Now advocates of withdrawal risk making the exact same mistake, by refusing to re-examine their own conviction that Gen. Petraeus's strategy cannot succeed and that the war is "lost," despite rising evidence to the contrary.

Bull. Shit., Joe:

Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented last week.

That was from November 2005, a time period during which Sen. Lieberman is now claiming he thought the Bush administration was "clinging to a flawed strategy despite growing evidence of its failure."

And this was from a month later:

"The last two weeks have been critically important and I believe may be seen as a turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism," Lieberman told reporters after he and a bipartisan group of senators met with Bush and top administration officials on the war.

"I believe the president has begun a new conversation with the American people, looking back and talking again about why we went into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein, why we remain there, why success in Iraq is so critical to America's national security, and how we intend to win," he said.

I'm sure the assembled Hannity/Lieberman/Coulter fanclub will love this stuff tomorrow in Jersey.

It's all just more progress, for a man who long ago severed any remaining relationship between himself and reality.

Update: joejoejoe very helpfully links to the full history of Lieberman's WSJ proclamations of support for Bush's war. Note the many mentions of Bush's "flawed strategy" and the "growing evidence of its failure"... such as an entire op-ed devoted to defending Rumsfeld as Abu Ghraib broke:

October 29, 2001 - Target No. 2: Saddam
Destroying al Qaeda is only the first step in this war. [3 weeks after U.S. military action in Afghanistan began.]

October 7, 2002 - Our Resolution
Why Democrats should support the president on Iraq.

[break from WSJ neocon duties to run for Democratic nomination in '04. Highlight of Lieberman run, a "three-way tie for third*" in New Hampshire, a state he moved to for the purposes of running. *5th place]

May 14, 2004 - 'Let Us Have Faith'
Why Rumsfeld must stay.

November 29, 2005 - Our Troops Must Stay
America can't abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists.

[break from WSJ neocon duties to run for Democratic Senate nomination in '06. Highlight of Lieberman run, Ned Lamont kicked his ass right out of the party. Lieberman wins general election by lying to Connecticut voters about wanting to bring U.S. troops home.]

February 26, 2007 - The Choice on Iraq
"I appeal to my colleagues in Congress to step back and think carefully about what to do next."

June 15, 2007 - What I Saw in Iraq
Iran remains a problem, but Anbar has joined the fight against terror.

July 6, 2007 - Iran's Proxy War
Tehran is on the offensive against us throughout the Middle East. Will Congress respond?

August 20, 2007 - Al Qaeda's Travel Agent
Damascus International Airport is a hub for terrorists.

September 10, 2007 - Listening to Petraeus
The president had the courage to change course on Iraq. Does Congress?

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Mistakes were made...and mistaken comparisons (4.00 / 1)
Woah. 

Now advocates of withdrawal risk making the exact same mistake....

The exact same mistake????

People who want to end the war are making the "exact same mistake" as Bush's mismanagement of the war???????????????????????

I. Can't. Take. It.

[[[[head explodes]]]]


In joe-blowhard's view (0.00 / 0)
you are making the exact same mistake of being informed and correct. Can't have that in today's American politics, can we? Otherwise the neoconservative republicans would look pretty stupid in comparison AGAIN.


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
Yes, we've seen this before with <strike>Bush</strike> Lieberman (4.00 / 1)

The NY Times points out how Petraeus's role in selling the war now is the same as Colin Powell's role in selling the war in 2003. Bush, and Lieberman in today's WSJ piece,  help trash a U.S. general's credibility to serve their political purposes.

Here's the NY Times piece (with a few minor alterations...)

... President Bush [Joe Lieberman],  we fear, isn't looking for the truth, only for ways to confound the public, scare Democrats into dropping their demands for a sound exit strategy, and prolong the war until he leaves office [it expands into Iran]. At times, General Petraeus gives the disturbing impression that he, too, is more focused on the political game in Washington than the unfolding disaster in Iraq. That serves neither American nor Iraqi interests.

Mr. Bush [Lieberman], deeply unpopular with the American people, is counting on the general to restore credibility to his discredited Iraq policy. He frequently refers to the escalation of American forces last January as General Petraeus's strategy - as if it were not his own creation. The situation echoes the way Mr. Bush made Colin Powell - another military man with an overly honed sense of a soldier's duty - play frontman at the United Nations in 2003 to make the case that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Mr. Bush [Lieberman] cannot once again subcontract his responsibility. This is his war.



Nattering Nabobs of Negativity (4.00 / 1)
"Before Gen. Petraeus has even had a chance to testify, some have gone as far as to suggest that our troops have accomplished basically nothing, that we have made no meaningful progress," said Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent. "That is simply wrong and a disservice to the men and women who serve us today in Iraq."

"You cannot be serious about defeating al-Qaida while demanding that we retreat from al-Qaida in Iraq."

http://www.courant.c...


You can't be serious about (0.00 / 0)
defeating al-Qaida while not admitting that, even now, Iraq has very little to do with al-Qaida OR admitiing the fact that Iraq used to have almost nothing to do with al-Qaida beyond being one of their enemies.


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
When does this end? (4.00 / 1)
When do we get to do a fact based analysis of what is happening in Iraq and develop reasonable approach to the situation?

Why does Joe Lieberman get a national megaphone to announce his views and the opposition get some pamphlet-like notices in some blogs? 

Why can't we agree on the facts and then develop a policy?

Why does Katie Couric not feel that it would be good to do some reporting instead of passing out the Administration PR statements?  Why does she (or any other mainstream journalist) want to be the Profile in Courage of this war and let the Administration have it with both barrels of truth and justice?

I don't get it.


The real problem (0.00 / 0)
is that you do get it. And the right wing lunatics will get the megaphone and use it to paint those of us that do get it as the crazies.

Hey... If crazy means we have been correct all along.


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
The Lieberman Iraq/WSJ editorials (4.00 / 4)
October 29, 2002 - Target No. 2: Saddam
Destroying al Qaeda is only the first step in this war.
http://www.opinionjo...

October 7, 2002 - Our Resolution
Why Democrats should support the president on Iraq.
http://www.opinionjo...

[break from WSJ neocon duties to run for Democratic nomination in '04. Highlight of Lieberman run, a "three-way tie for third*" in New Hampshire, a state he moved to for the purposes of running. *5th place]

May 14, 2004 - 'Let Us Have Faith'
Why Rumsfeld must stay.
http://www.opinionjo...

November 29, 2005 - Our Troops Must Stay
America can't abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists.
http://www.opinionjo...

[break from WSJ neocon duties to run for Democratic Senate nomination in '06. Highlight of Lieberman run, Ned Lamont kicked his ass right out of the party. Lieberman wins general election by lying to Connecticut voters about wanting to bring U.S. troops home.]

February 26, 2007 - The Choice on Iraq
"I appeal to my colleagues in Congress to step back and think carefully about what to do next."
http://www.opinionjo...

June 15, 2007 - What I Saw in Iraq
Iran remains a problem, but Anbar has joined the fight against terror.
http://www.opinionjo...

July 6, 2007 - Iran's Proxy War
Tehran is on the offensive against us throughout the Middle East. Will Congress respond?
http://www.opinionjo...

August 20, 2007 - Al Qaeda's Travel Agent
Damascus International Airport is a hub for terrorists.
http://www.opinionjo...

September 10, 2007 - Listening to Petraeus
The president had the courage to change course on Iraq. Does Congress?
http://www.opinionjo...

Notice all the editorials on global warming, economic and social justice? Yeah, me neither. 


Oops (0.00 / 0)
First date should read October 29, 2001. 3 weeks after the U.S. started military action against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan Sen. Lieberman was already moving on to the next war.

[ Parent ]
US surge has failed - Iraqi poll (4.00 / 3)

Methodology:
The poll was conducted by D3 Systems and KA Research Ltd for the BBC, ABC News, and NHK of Japan. Some 2,112 Iraqis were questioned in more than 450 neighbourhoods across all the 18 provinces of Iraq between August 17 and August 24, 2007. The margin of error is + or - 2.5%.


"Leave Now" is the #1 answer (0.00 / 0)
..by far, in the "when should the U.S. go?" category, and it's growing each month,  dispelling the White House bullshit about the Iraqi's wanting them there. But then again, the Bushites #1 answer to that question is "Never".

[ Parent ]
OOPS! (0.00 / 0)
I linked to the ABC summary of data and your stuff comes from the BBC. When in doubt, trust the foreign news...


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
Joe Lieberman for Attorney General (0.00 / 0)
please.

Remember when Colin Powell had credibility? Petraeus = Powell of 2003 (4.00 / 2)


 
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