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Bush on Iraq & Vietnam: "I think the analogy is false"

by: joejoejoe

Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 08:04:13 AM EDT


Bush is going to give a speech comparing Iraq to Vietnam. This diary is a reference for the press, to highlight the past mentions of this analogy by the Bush Administration, all mocking the same comparison. The examples below from a Google search of 'Iraq + Vietnam' on whitehouse.gov:

1) Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, April is turning into the deadliest month in Iraq since the fall of Baghdad, and some people are comparing Iraq to Vietnam and talking about a quagmire. Polls show that support for your policy is declining and that fewer than half Americans now support it. What does that say to you and how do you answer the Vietnam comparison?

THE PRESIDENT: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy. Look, this is hard work. It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny. And, yet, we must stay the course, because the end result is in our nation's interest.

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2) Interview of the President by Al-Sharq Al-Awsat:

Q Some people make a parallel between Iraq and Vietnam. Do you see it?

THE PRESIDENT: I know that people are anxious to be free. They were glad to get rid of Saddam Hussein. They were pleased when his sons met their demise. This person tortured, brutalized an entire population. And it's a different situation.

Q I didn't hear the word "Vietnam" in your answer.

THE PRESIDENT: No, because -- I gave you the answer, you asked the question. You asked me if there's parallel. I said it's a different situation.

3) Press Conference of the President

Q [...] Do you see, as some of your critics do, a parallel between what's going on in Iraq now and Vietnam?

THE PRESIDENT: No.

Q Why?

THE PRESIDENT: Because there's a duly-elected government; 12 million people voted. They said, we want something different from tyranny, we want to live in a free society. And not only did they vote for a government, they voted for a constitution. Obviously, there is sectarian violence, but this is, in many ways, religious in nature, and I don't see the parallels.

4) Press Gaggle by Tony Snow

Q What lessons did Americans learn from the Vietnam War and do any of those apply to what's going on in Iraq now?

MR. SNOW: I think the two situations are not comparable and I don't want to try -- I will let Americans tell you what their various lessons were from Vietnam. That's far too large a question for me to contemplate, let alone answer.

5) President George Bush Discusses Iraq in National Press Conference

  Q Thank you, sir. Mr. President, millions of Americans can recall a time when leaders from both parties set this country on a mission of regime change in Vietnam. Fifty thousand Americans died. The regime is still there in Hanoi, and it hasn't harmed or threatened a single American in the 30 years since the war ended. What can you say tonight, sir, to the sons and the daughters of the Americans who served in Vietnam to assure them that you will not lead this country down a similar path in Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: That's a great question. Our mission is clear in Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament. And in order to disarm, it would mean regime change. I'm confident we'll be able to achieve that objective, in a way that minimizes the loss of life. No doubt there's risks in any military operation; I know that. But it's very clear what we intend to do. And our mission won't change. Our mission is precisely what I just stated. We have got a plan that will achieve that mission, should we need to send forces in.

So today we are likely to hear about the mission in Iraq, to disarm WMD,  spread democracy, fight Al-Qaeda, fight Iran, stop another Cambodian genocide. It would be nice if a) the press included as context the President's earlier dismissive remarks about Iraq/Vietnam analogies and b) pressed the President to comment on the humanitarian disaster that exists in Iraq TODAY (2 million Iraqi refugees, 1.2 million internally displaced Iraqis, est. 655,000 additional dead Iraqis from conditions inside Iraq as of July 2006), and an average of 30 minutes a day of electricity in Baghdad.

Is their any hope that the US political press will do it's job covering Bush's latest speech or will they dutifully report the 'he said/she said' story of the moment without providing any contextual reporting of past statements and current conditions? The Vietnam analogy I'd love to make is between today's press and the likes of David Halberstam, Joe Galloway, and Stanley Karnow but that comparison has to be EARNED.

The press has a choice to make today - carry on the legacy of David Halberstam or carry Bush's water.

cross-posted at Daily Kos

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I wasn't old enough to read the Vietnam press accounts first hand. A lot of what I read was as history from Vietnam correspondents who wrote books. Can anyone share what it was like to read about Vietnam in the newspaper on a daily basis, compared/contrasted with reading about Iraq?

I know reporters in Vietnam had better access and were not subject to quite the same security risks as in Iraq, where a Western reporter alone walking the streets has a life expectancy of a few hours at best.


Vietnam reporting (4.00 / 2)
CBS, bless their hearts, covered the war very well.  Both Dan Rather and Ed Bradley did reports that opened a lot of eyes.  I was pretty young when the build-up began under Johnson so I wasn't really paying attention then.  As I approached draft age my attention was a lot more focused, obviously.  By then (71 - 73) the Pentagon Papers had been published that laid out the whole sordid mess. 

I would have to say based on what I've read lately that the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was coverd about as well as the WMD / run up to the Iraq invasion was - piss poor.

The parallels to Vietnam also apply to the whole Vietnamization / "we'll stand down as Iraqis stand up" scam. Nixon and Kissinger knew that the South Vietnamese army was a corrupt didaster that couldn't fight on its own.  They made believe it was working so they could ultimately declare "peace with Honor" and get the hell out.  W is trying to do the same thing (although I question whether he even wants to get out of Iraq.)


Bush vs. Bush (4.00 / 3)
http://www.msnbc.msn...

Bush even cites Vietnam as a cautionary tale for those urging troop withdrawals today.

"Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left," Bush said. "Whatever your position in that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like 'boat people,' 're-education camps' and 'killing fields.'"

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., quickly dismissed Bush's position.

"President Bush's attempt to compare the war in Iraq to past military conflicts in East Asia ignores the fundamental difference between the two," he said. "Our nation was misled by the Bush administration in an effort to gain support for the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses, leading to one of the worst foreign policy blunders in our history."

This president and his minions (e.g. Condi and Cheney) believe that history will clear their bad decisions re: this war. Present-day historians already believe Bush II is one of the worst presidents in modern history. When the fog of 9/11 is completely gone, I don't see how future historians and future citizens of this planet could ever consider this president making the right decision in going into and occupying Iraq.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.


To add insult to injury (0.00 / 0)
they will name an aircraft carrier after this asshole.

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File this under WTF? (4.00 / 1)
I first learned about Chimpy McFlightsuits speech while watching Hardball tonight' and I was appalled that the Draft-dodger in chief had the audacity to make the comparison.  The only ones dumber than W are the 28% who still support this chump, but then again is he that dumb?  Look at all he has gotten away with, and the Democratically controlled Congress, with a mandate no less, has consistently caved in to this clown ( we can certainly draw some parallels here in CT with our Supermajority).

I was further outraged by the appearance of Ari Fleischer, whom I loathe more than Rove and Snow combined.  This smug little bastard ahs the nerve to be fronting for some organization with the word freedom in it.  This new organization has launched an advertisment blitz in 20 states that feature the obligatory vet who has lost a limb or two and of course a picture of the second 757 just before impact with the quote "They attacked us", thus making the dishonest inference that Iraq attacked us on 9/11.

These people recognize no boundary and will stoop to the lowest level to advance their agenda.  It's just gotten to the point where I just hate Republicans.  Whatever happened to "I'm a uniter, not a divider"?  I certainly didn't feel this way before November 2000 and it will be a long time before I can even consider respecting the views of the Republicans after all they have done to subvert our republic since 1994.


 
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