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Dodd Opposes Permanent US Bases In Iraq

by: Matt Browner Hamlin

Mon Apr 23, 2007 at 00:41:01 AM EDT


Mike from Blue Hampshire interviewed Senator Chris Dodd on Sunday and used his time to try to address what the senior senator from Connecticut thinks ending America's presence in Iraq really means.
Mike: There's some concern about the bases we've built in Iraq, and whether the candidates are clear about whether we are turning those bases back over to the Iraqis or whether we would somehow retain possession of those?

Dodd: Well, my view is you don't need American bases in Iraq. We've got plenty of base capacity in the region.

Mike: So you'd commit to "over-the-horizon" vs. continued --

Dodd: It's a much preferable choice.

Most Democratic politicians support ending the war within the next year to year and a half. But for many, including notably Hillary Clinton, withdrawal of our combat forces means keeping bases within Iraq and tens of thousands of advisers to train Iraqi troops. That is, withdrawal doesn't really mean the same thing for every Dem. Bill Richardson has said he wants "no residual force whatsoever," which is pretty much the strongest statement by any first or second tier Democrat to that effect before Dodd's today.

Bill Scher has done a good job bringing the candidates statement on the extent to which withdrawal will be complete together. And while the spectrum of answers from Democratic candidates seems to weigh heavily against having permanent bases, the certitude with which Dodd and Richardson have come out against them clearly leads the pack. Withdrawal cannot be evaluated in the absence of what politicians are saying about American military advisers, troop trainers, and rapid response forces. Drawing down a majority of our forces would be a step in the right direction, but it is hardly all that is needed to extricate ourselves from Bush's mess. There must be commitment to ending all possibility of Americans dying because of the Republican administration's failed Iraq policies -- that can only come when withdrawal plans include specific actions taken to take all American soldiers from Iraq.

Senator Dodd and Governor Richardson are moving the discussion to where it needs to be. But this isn't just about taking a more respectable, sensible position within the Democratic field. The discussion on permanent bases being held within the Democratic primary field will help determine how the country on whole thinks about what a withdrawal of American forces would look like. Inevitably pro-war Republicans will be driven into a sputtering fury over the thought of not getting to have permanent bases, complete with Halliburton run Pizza Huts and McDonalds. No doubt media pundits will question the seriousness of Democrats for having the audacity to suggest that we should not lay down permanent roots in Iraq. But the positions espoused by Dodd and Richardson must be held publicly and forcibly.

When Democratic presidential candidates make the future of their campaigns about the smartest course of actions for ending American involvement in the quagmire in Iraq, they create cover for other Democrats to stand by them and do the same. This, in turn, will create an atmosphere where Congress feels empowered to do its job and legislate a withdrawal of American forces. Dodd and Richardson are showing real leadership here, exactly the kind that is requisite to end the war in Iraq and bring all of our troops home to the heroes welcome they deserve.

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Hillary does NOT support permanent bases (0.00 / 0)
You write:
But for many, including notably Hillary Clinton, withdrawal of our combat forces means keeping bases within Iraq..."

But the link reports the exact opposite:

Most notably, Sen. Hillary Clinton flatly stated she does not support permanent bases in Iraq:

...we do envision a vastly reduced residual force to remain for some limited period of time to train Iraqi troops ... to provide logistical support for counter-terrorism missions [and] to protect the Kurds if necessary...

...that does not mean we would have a permanent force. I am absolutely clear, we do not plan a permanent occupation or permanent bases.

In fact, most of the Dem presidential candidates do not support permanent bases in Iraq. I don't know of any who do.


Bases vs Permanent Bases (0.00 / 0)
As you quote, I wrote "withdrawal of our combat forces means keeping bases within Iraq." Note the lack of the word permanent.

I expect candidates to be against permanent bases, but I also want them to be sincere about what withdrawal means. To Clinton, withdrawal means keeping a "residual force" inside Iraq for training and rapid response missions. Those forces will be stationed on bases.

Saying you want to keep forces on bases in Iraq but telling me that those will not be permanent bases challenges me to accept  that there is a substantive difference for American troops between maintaining a "permanent" presence and an open-ended presence with no set end date. Quite honestly, I call bullshit on any Dem who advocates maintaining bases indefinitely but tries to hide behind the excuse that they don't want them to be permanent.

http://holdfastblog.com


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Thanks for clarifying (0.00 / 0)
I guess my feelings on this, like the candidates, are evolving too. So it's good to clarify where everyone stands and continue the discussion. For instance, does Dodd think we should protect Iraq's borders? The country has been destabilized and is vulnerable on all sides. If he thinks we should protect the borders, we'll need bases there, and if so, for how long?

It may be possible to convince Iran and Syria -- through a "diplomatic surge" --that it's in their best interest to stay out of Iraq. If that's possible, that would be the best solution, IMO.

However, no matter what we do, Iran will have far more influence over Iraq than the U.S. ever will. So maybe it's better to just say to Iran, "go ahead and take it." If Iran wants the headache of funding and fighting a civil war, it's all theirs. Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Israel will likely create headaches for Iran, and maybe that, along with Sunni and Kurdish resistance, is enough of a deterrent to keep Iran from trying to rule Iraq like a puppet government.

It would be a shame for the Kurds though. They have the most to lose. But they have a 100,000-unit force, so maybe they can defend themselves well enough.

The Iraq issue is being oversimplified, so a well-thought-out discussion involving all the candiates would be a good thing.


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Well bases in Iraq (0.00 / 0)
is certainly an issue that needs to be confronted and directly by the candidates. But we have over 700 bases world-wide - that's outside our borders.

Our problems run deep and wide. Hillary may be for keeping a residual advisory force in Iraq or moving to an "over the horizon" base in the region. The real issue is American base presence in the Middle East. The only reason to support any of these bases is the belief in American superiority - in its Godly Preordained right to be wherever the US Government desires to protect OUR National interests - aka Corporate hegemony.

I know the pols don't want to mess this little discussion up with reality - and choose instead to keep it over-simplified and narrowly focused so as not to upset the ruling corporate elite (and associated lobbies) - the pump that pays for their ticket on the national stage needs to tailor the message and exact its pound of flesh.

Kucinich has the true north on these issues. And I submit, it is his role to press the issue not a partial/compromised middle of the triangluated road view to pacify. It is too early in the primary game to give up on the real issues and simply follow the middle-ground as if life and death was something you could compromise.


Good point (0.00 / 0)
When you look at the Pentagon's $500 billion budget and compare that to Russia's $7 billion defense budget, you realize we might not really need those 700 bases.

I doubt that any candidate will say that we should start closing bases or reduce military spending -- for fear of being labeled "weak on defense" and losing the support of workers at plants like Sikorsky, Boeing, etc.

But if you support a candidate who says we should reduce defense spending (if there is one), it can make a difference. Even if that candidate doesn't win, he/she will hopefully throw their support to whichever candidate comes closest to supporting that position.


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Point well taken (0.00 / 0)
I understand the political "realism" at work. We don't have an honest and open discussion on our foreign - and the corollary domestic - policies and agendas. So, we dance around the issue and vote in some one we can only guess about his position.

Our foreign policy is pathological - not that I expect anything a state does to be strictly rational at all times. We can either hope for the best - the pathology will work itself out after much hardship and pain - or we can begin a process of truth and reconciliation.

I've stated here and there that Dodd could be someone who has, ultimately, a good sense - that he would be a reasonable guess - for re-addressing our foreign policy based on his strong stance against Bolton and Fox and his years of being a proponent of a re-invigorated relationship with Cuba. These are very telling positions. He comes from a state which is addicted to military spending - albeit somewhat reduced - and has not been able to build a base from small doners (troubling).

Kucinich may not be the candidate but his voice can be the standard barer of a progressive and more importantly evolved humanism - as long as we don't let his message become marginalized.


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Not clear where Dodd stands (0.00 / 0)
Is Dodd saying that within 12-18 months, U.S. troops should be deployed to protect the Kurdistan border, seal off the Iran and Syrian borders, and continue to train troops? This is what he seems to be saying on his website:

We must begin immediately to reposition our troops from Baghdad, Fallujah, and other large urban centers to Kurdistan, where there is relative law and order, and where they would be more accepted; to other, less populated areas of Iraq, where their training of Iraqi forces can continue; and to border areas, where they can protect the territorial integrity of Iraq until Iraqi forces can do so themselves.
...
These movements must begin immediately, with the goal of completing them within the next 12 to 18 months.

Or is he saying that ALL U.S. troops will be out of Iraq by March 2008, which is what he seems to have stated at MoveOn.org:

I believe that we ought to have an end-date of March of '08 to provide a year-long opportunity for redeployment. I'm willing to accept during this year's time, that training could go on the Kurdish areas of Iraq, that you could provide some border security on the Syrian and possibly on the Iranian border as well ...

Right now, the troops in Iraq are like targets in a shooting gallery, so either of Dodd's scenarios would be an improvement. But it looks like Dodd's position is evolving.

Personally, I think the "diplomatic surge", combined with protecting Iraq's borders and providing humanitarian aid, is the best way to go. Don't provide military training, equipment, or funding until all sects agree to stop killing each other and decide to form a single, unified democratic government. Otherwise we're just funding and fighting a civil war.


evolving (0.00 / 0)
I don't think those two quotes are contradictory. Dodd's statement went up on his website a few months ago. I'd guess that his website position statements, like all other candidates, are not updated daily. Dodd seems pretty clearly to have laid down spring-fall 2008 as the range in which he wants all American troops home. If it looks like his views have evolved, well then they're clearly evolving in the right direction and thus it's not fair to try to criticize him for it.

Dodd is the only presidential candidate in the Senate to be a cosponsor to Reid-Feingold. Clinton, Obama, and Biden are not cosponsors. This bill will start bringing the troops home in four months.  No other legislation introduced in the Senate comes close to that. Here's the text of the bill in its entirety:

The language of the legislation reads:

(a) Transition of Mission - The President shall promptly transition the mission of United States forces in Iraq to the limited purposes set forth in subsection (d).

(b) Commencement of Safe, Phased Redeployment from Iraq - The President shall commence the safe, phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq that are not essential to the purposes set forth in subsection (d). Such redeployment shall begin not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(c) Prohibition on Use of Funds - No funds appropriated or otherwise made available under any provision of law may be obligated or expended to continue the deployment in Iraq of members of the United States Armed Forces after March 31, 2008.

(d) Exception for Limited Purposes - The prohibition under subsection (c) shall not apply to the obligation or expenditure of funds for the limited purposes as follows:

(1) To conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.

(2) To provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel.

(3) To train and equip Iraqi security services.


I really am not sure what else you're looking for from Dodd's position. He's the only presidential candidate to support Reid-Feingold. He opposes permanent bases in Iraq. He's apologized for supporting the war. I'm surprised to see that this is the case, but I'm not sure if anyone else is taking better positions vis a vis the war within the Democratic field.

http://holdfastblog.com

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I'm Confused (0.00 / 0)
How do you:

(1) conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.

(2) provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel.

(3) train and equip Iraqi security services.

... without having bases, or troops, in Iraq?


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More questions... (0.00 / 0)
1. What "U.S. infrastructure and personnel" are Dodd/Feingold referring to that will need security?

2. Dodd will have troops in Iraq to train and equip Iraqi forces. Instead of training and equipping Iraqis to kill each other, wouldn't it be better to stop equipping them? Those weapons ultimately get pointed at U.S. soldiers, and they continue to fuel the civil war.

Richardson is the only candidate who wants all U.S. forces out, and is supporting  a diplomacy-only push.

Kucinich wants UN forces replace U.S. forces (although I don't know what difference this will make), but Kucinich also wants U.S. contractors out, which seems like a wise move.

The only difference between Dodd's position and Obama's, Clinton's and Edwards' is that Dodd doesn't feel the need to protect the borders, unless that's included under the vague term "provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel."

None of these candidates support permanent bases in Iraq. The title on your diary, saying that Dodd doesn't support "permant bases," combined with the text of your diary, saying Hillary Clinton supports "bases," implies she and most others support permanent bases. That's not true. In fact, all their positions except Richardson's and Kucinich's are pretty similar.


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Disagree (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, I think you're pulling things together in an incorrect way. There are different issues being addressed in different ways. For example, Reid-Feingold does not seek to remove 100% of America's force presence in Iraq, but seek a rapid timeline for withdrawing the preponderance of American forces. No legislation that I know of seeks to remove every single soldier from Iraq on a definite time line. So Dodd's support of Reid-Feingold, as no other Democratic candidate in the Senate does, is cutting edge.

WRT permanent bases and your charge that the diary title is somehow misleading, well you're just wrong. Dodd doesn't support permanent bases and wants an "over the horizon" force from our many existing Middle Eastern military bases. He said so yesterday. It could not be more clear. This position is similar to the one already held be Bill Richardson, a fact that I repeatedly credit in the diary.

I did not say that other candidates support permanent bases. I wrote, "And while the spectrum of answers from Democratic candidates seems to weigh heavily against having permanent bases, the certitude with which Dodd and Richardson have come out against them clearly leads the pack." It's about the distinction between permanent bases and indefinite retention of bases.

In terms of what other candidates are saying, you're assuming that there is a functional difference in how our troops will be treated by Iraqis if they are stationed on "permanent bases" or stationed indefinitely for training and rapid response duties at bases that we're saying aren't permanent. I do not think that there is any functional difference between these two positions, so Clinton, Edwards, and Obamas support of keeping US troops inside Iraq with diminished combat roles does not go as far as Richardson and Dodd's calls for all US troops out of Iraq, in my humble opinion.

Obviously you disagree with me as to the value of Democratic presidential candidates taking leading roles in advocating a full withdrawal from Iraq. I see Dodd as moving to the front of the pack (with Richardson) on Iraq positioning; I want to see Edwards, Clinton, & Obama be right there with him because I believe the end the war/bring the troops fully home position is necessary for our nation's health and Democratic electoral success.

http://holdfastblog.com


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Dodd's plan is vague too (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you that having Democratic candidates taking a lead role in advocating a full withdrawal in Iraq is a good thing. I don't think that's what Dodd is doing. That's what Bill Richardson is doing, not Dodd or Feingold.

You said:

But for many, including notably Hillary Clinton, withdrawal of our combat forces means keeping bases within Iraq and tens of thousands of advisers to train Iraqi troops.

But this is exactly what Dodd supports. Dodd and Feingold want to:

(1) conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.
(2) provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel. [Q: WHAT  infrastructure and personnel?]
(3) train and equip Iraqi security services.

To do all this, you need a residual force of tens of thousands of troops.

You also say

And while the spectrum of answers from Democratic candidates seems to weigh heavily against having permanent bases, the certitude with which Dodd and Richardson have come out against them clearly leads the pack.

Yet Sen. Clinton flatly stated: "I am absolutely clear, we do not plan a permanent occupation or permanent bases." How much more certitude do you need?

If you're looking for "cutting edge," I agree with you that Richardson's plan is cutting edge. But I disagree with you that Dodd's is, faster timeline or not.

I support your efforts to get Democrats to be more upfront about what they mean by full withdrawal from Iraq. But Dodd is as vague as the rest of them. Maybe we should be asking Dodd and the other candidates why they are not adopting Richardson's plan.


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Substantive difference (0.00 / 0)
Can you please articulate for me what you think is the substantive difference between Dodd's plan of no permanent bases with no residual force and a near-term withdrawal from Bill Richardson's?

I have articulated the differences between Dodd and Clinton. I'd really like to know what differences you see between Richardson and Dodd.

http://holdfastblog.com


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Differences (0.00 / 0)
Richardson: "I would have no residual force whatsoever"

Dodd: Keep residual forces in Iraq to:

(1) To conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.

(2) To provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel.

(3) To train and equip Iraqi security services.


[ Parent ]
we already went over this (0.00 / 0)
You're pulling from the Reid-Feingold bill and old postings of policy statements on Dodd's campaign site (ie, ones posted a few months ago and not subsequently updated). Now, feel free to disagree with me and hold that what someone said three months ago is what they believe today even if they said something different yesterday. I concede that Dodd's position has evolved, but in the right direction.

It strikes me as odd for you to try to use the language of the most progressive bill in the Senate on the Iraq war against the only presidential Democrat who supports the bill as evidence of his lack of anti-war chops.

Yesterday Dodd said he was against permanent bases and against keeping US forces inside Iraq for tactical missions, in favor of relying on forces stationed at existing US bases in the Middle East. Dodd's statement yesterday did not specifically address security for infrastructure and training, but as I keep saying, what he has set out and what his positioning on Reid-Feingold put him ahead of every other serious contender save Richardson.

I would like to hear what Dodd now thinks of points 2 & 3. The last week has brought events and news that make it unlikely that we can expect either to still be a part of any serious Democratic plan. For one, the Bush initiative to build a wall in Baghdad around the Sunni populace was stopped by Maliki, a fact that is likely to remind Iraqis that they do have at least some sovereignty over their country. America should not be looking to unilaterally undertake any construction efforts of any kind.

Second, we found out this week that the Bush administration has stopped trying to train Iraqi forces to replace American ones. If Bush isn't doing it, why should any Democrat make it a key to their plan? My guess is as the embarrassment of Bush's silent change in policy comes out, less Democrats will argue forcefully for continuing to train Iraq's military. (I think either Brian Schweitzer or Bill Maher said Friday that Iraq has one of the largest militaries in the world, with over 200,000 troops. Let's let them do some work already).


http://holdfastblog.com


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Good Points... (0.00 / 0)
If Dodd and Richardson can keep moving the debate in a different direction, we're all better for it. Up to this point, I felt Dodd has been as vague as all the others. In fact, on the News Hour last night, they compared Dodd's Iraq stance to Clinton's, so obviously he needs to be a little more clear and consistent about where he stands on the issue (website included).

But you're right in that if he keeps moving the conversation in the right direction, to the point where we start talking about REALLY removing troops from Iraq, we're all better for it. And giving him kudos for beginning to do so is right on, brother.


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