Would I Lie To You?

Urg (4.00 / 2)

The state of CT will come to regret its decision.

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by: ATalbot @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 12:39:10 PM CST

Is there provision for recalling a state senator in CT (4.00 / 1)

Inquiring minds want to know.  Choice of Gates to replace Rumsfeld is a mere technicality - same personality traits and pitfalls, different face. 

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 12:50:48 PM CST

Agree (0.00 / 0)

I's also like to know if CT has a recall mechanism? Can we at least kick him out of the party? He wouldn't be able to get away with calling him a "D" if our state party leadership hadn't chosen to bend over and take it from Holy Joe after he lost the primary.

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by: CTPatriot @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:26:16 PM CST

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I think the party affiliation challenge (0.00 / 0)

is in the hands of the New Haven Dem registrar of voters, Sharon Ferrucci.  WE talked about the state statutes on this issue back in Sept.  The rule is the party *may* kick you out if you don't support the platform or candidates of the party you're in. 

At the moment, I'm not totally sorted out on this but I think we can watch how it plays out that he betrayed some of the voters in the sense that he lied about his intentions and policies and blurred his party affiliation, and I don't want to give him the excuse to change parties and claim the Dems kicked him out. 

I'd like to see him leave on his own and make it real clear who got bamboozled here.  Dems and Dem leaning unafiliateds who thought their vote represented a Dem platform - wake up and smell the coffee.

It's the kind of basic violation of trust between a voter and legislator that you can pull off exactly once.  I would think it has the potential of being a growth experience for certain voters  I would hate to take away the opportunity.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 16:58:15 PM CST

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He is legally recorded in Senate rules as "Other" (4.00 / 1)

Ned was the only guy with legal title to the 'D'.

Dedicated to a Clean and Lean Democratic Party or Bust!

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by: hazmaq @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:41:55 PM CST

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That would suggest you can't be 2 things at once (0.00 / 0)

Good catch, Hazmaq.  Perhaps in fact he is NOT considered a Dem at this point, and they are kind of glossing it over.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:45:38 PM CST

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Source? (0.00 / 0)

I've been poking around the Senate rules to find more information on this without much luck. Can you share the source for your findings?

I did find the Secretary of the Senate that Lieberman referred to in the MtP interview. I'm wondering if she was contacted with the CT State law that said Lieberman was prohibited from using any form of a party name as a petitioning candidate if she deny Lieberman's request to be labelled I/D.

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by: joejoejoe @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 04:59:49 AM CST

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SCREAM -- JOE LIED JOE LIED (4.00 / 1)

Simply repeat what Joe said on Meet the Press along with his quotes a couple of weeks before the election.

And yes call Joe a liar.  Tell people Joe LIED.  And have some ____ and flat out say that had Joe told the truth, tens of thousands of Democrats and independents who voted for him would never had done so.

Time to start planting the seeds because Joe is going to endorse MCcain in the GOP primary in 2008 (I don't think McCain gets the GOP nomination though) and Joe is going to caucus with the GOP at some point.  (He's just waiting for an opportune moment to feign some outrage + claim that he didn't leave the Democratic party but the party left him.)

Yes, having JOe bolt to the GOP would HELP us tremendously long term for a multitude of reasons. (Yes I realize the short term loss but in 2008 we will gain a bunch of Senate seats.)  By the way Joe, every new Democrat elected to office is much closer to the center or to the left than you are.  (Ha!)

However, as someone who would keep my word, I have no problem with him being registered as a CFLer, and allowing him to caucus with the Democrats with his seniority in the meantime.  But he gets NOTHING more than that.

  If he makes threats, he gets NOTHING.  He can be shown the plank and in 2 yrs have every pet project of his zeroed out, every investigatory agency at every level on his ass for his slush fund, and I'd love to stand outside his house the day law enforcement comes and says "Mr. Lieberman you are under arrest."  (

Joe Lieberman and George Bush believe that our govt should cut and run on capturing Osama Bin Laden so that Bush and the neocons could invade Iraq. Despite no Wmds and no links to 9/11, Lieberman supports that decision.

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by: bigdavefromqueens @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 13:07:17 PM CST

More Troops?! (4.00 / 2)

"There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited." Sun Tzu, the great military strategist, wrote that centuries ago, and it's been proven throughout history. You can go back to Napoleon in Moscow, Great Britain in the U.S., Hitler in Russia, and the U.S. in Vietnam, and now the U.S. in Iraq, and see proof.

The reason you can't win protracted wars overseas is because you have to ship machines, weapons, food, and soldiers thousands of miles and then protect your supply lines. And as Sun Tzu writes, "the resources of the state will not suffice." You go bankrupt and morale is destroyed.

Fighting in cities like Baghad is just suicide for U.S. soldiers. Here's why: You can't identify and kill the enemy. The enemy might be policemen,  local politicians or tribal leaders. U.S. soldiers don't know who they are. They'll never know.

On the contrary, American soldiers walk around with bullseyes on their backs. The enemy attacks with sniper fire and by planting hidden bombs. You can't win that kind of "battle." There is no battle.

Throwing more U.S. troops into Iraq is just plain nuts. We need an international coalition, which includes Arab nations, to work for peace in that country, with the U.S. providing support services. Also open the rebuilding contracts to governments outside the U.S. to entice them to help.

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by: CaptCT @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 13:28:25 PM CST

Thank you (4.00 / 1)

n/t

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by: joejoejoe @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 13:30:04 PM CST

thank you n/t (4.00 / 2)

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by: Tim Tagaris @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:07:41 PM CST

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okay, guys who did he lie to who won't like it one bit? (4.00 / 1)

Just as he lied to get votes of delegates in the primary, does a leopard change his spots?  Wanna bet he lied to get blocs of votes swung his way in the general election?

Could it be that he's got some unhappy campers?  Or are they all so compromised and bought that there'll be nary a wimper?

Waiting for Mr. Earmark - the youtube movie.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 13:33:33 PM CST

I never thought I would be Embarassed, (4.00 / 2)

by living in this State of CT, but on Election night, when 49 other States voted against this illegal Occupation of Iraq, the Republican and the Jewish and the elderly voters in this state took Joe to victory, and gave approval to his co-sponsorship of the Iraqi Resolution, his Stay the Course mentality, and closed their eyes to his campaign corruption, and his lies, I felt embarassed.

There can be No Winning an occupation!  As a matter of fact, to put our boys in the middle of a Civil War between two sects in this country, to get a so-called 'free and independent' Iraq is the height of ignorance and Hawkishness!

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by: PamB @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 13:36:05 PM CST

Jewish voters (0.00 / 0)

Please show me the statistic that shows Joe Lieberman had the overwelming support of Jewish voters on election day please.

Every Jewish person I know, including myself, voted for Ned Lamont. So please document that it was CT Jews who gave Joe his victory.

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by: JJinCT_2 @ Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:28:50 AM CST

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Exit polling (0.00 / 0)

..suggests Lieberman carried nearly 2/3 of the Jewish vote (65-34). If true, that was up from the primary when it more like 60-40. That would mean an overwhelming amount of Jewish Republicans supported Lieberman, which probably isn't at all surprising.

http://edition.cnn.c...

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by: Scarce @ Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 09:35:55 AM CST

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Not at all surprising (0.00 / 0)

I mean, if 70% of Republicans voted for him overall, I'd be surprised if the percentage of Jewish Republicans was approaching 90%+.

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by: saramerica @ Tue Nov 14, 2006 at 17:05:50 PM CST

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Wrong. (4.00 / 2)

It's time for us to FOCUS on Joe and hold him to his promises.

The word for this, I think, is "accountability".

Connecticut Bob

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by: Bob Adams @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:20:14 PM CST

Was replying to Mel_Gibson there (0.00 / 0)

n/t

Connecticut Bob

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by: Bob Adams @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:21:21 PM CST

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I am going to create a site (4.00 / 4)

and host it at joelieberman.org

It will contain the opposition research I have on Joe.  Not oppo in the negative conotation (although it will include info on Haddasah and how Joe became a millionaire while a U.S. Senator), but more about his actual voting record, past statements, and campaign pledges.

My hope is that it will be a resource for everyone hoping to hold Joe accountable in the coming weeks, months and years.

Tim

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by: Tim Tagaris @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:36:02 PM CST

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Awesome! (0.00 / 0)

I'll help any way I can.

Connecticut Bob

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by: Bob Adams @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:46:45 PM CST

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be sure to put up flags, apple pies, and puppy dogs (0.00 / 0)

And pose all the information with a straight face as celebration of fearless leader.  That is essential.  Anyone who doesn't worship Joe is in bed with the terrorists.

I think you should call it "The Vital Centrist" or

"Messenger of Truth". 

Frame the picture of Hadassah in gold edges and red white and blue bunting, and explain how she served her country and the pharmaceutical companies banded together to reward her for her patriotism. 

It's necessary to reach the nut fringe that supports him in spite of any of the evidence to the contrary.

Or have a picture of a Bullmoose sh*tting with a circle and a line through it (as in no bullsh*t)

If the site can have music, may I suggest Frank Sinatra singing "my way"?

And you could also make a faux blog, that would be nice.

With a straight face, make some quote up about how important it is to work together, and then have some links to the Full Lamonty.  Which, by the way, has been expunged from  links on Google today- only found it via the cached pages.

Talk about vital centrism, and show a link to the DLC's Bullmoose Blog or Vicious Poodle posts.

A recipe section would be jaunty, featuring 101 Ways with Pork  (start with a barrel and some cash)

And how about tips - 10 Good Reasons to be Very, Very Afraid.

The opportunities for creativity are mind boggling.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 15:05:23 PM CST

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101 Ways with Pork! (0.00 / 0)

OMG, ROTFLMAO :>)

How about a "Not Entirely Kosher" section where we detail his sleazy campaign financing?

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by: saramerica @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:54:34 PM CST

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You'd Never Know He Kept Kosher (0.00 / 0)

with his affinity for pork barrel politics

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by: greenpeas @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 09:51:46 AM CST

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Great idea! (0.00 / 0)

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by: CaptCT @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 16:09:57 PM CST

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New site (0.00 / 0)

Terrific!!!  Thanks to you, Tim, Branford Boy, CTBob, et al. for continuing the fight.  I am hoping that Lieberman will be hoist on his own petard before long -- and I don't want to wait until 2008.  I'm relieved there is still an opportunity to explore the viciousness of this man and his operatives in order to expose him for what he is -- a pathological liar.

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by: gchaucer2 @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 17:35:59 PM CST

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Oh Please, please please can I help!?!! (4.00 / 2)

I need to do something positive to counteract the extreme nausea I felt whilst driving home on I-95 this evening and saw a huge billboard with an American flag, a photo of Joe
and "Congratulations Senator Lieberman". I was too busy trying to find the barf bag without crashing into the car in front to be able to read the fine print on who paid for it. Blech!

BTW, you can add this little anecdote to JoeLieberman.org...

I was out in Arizona on Thursday doing an author visit at the Valley of the Sun JCC and was talking politics with my host driver. When I told her about the "Ned is anti-Israel" whispering campaign and how I'd hosted the event to try to dispel it, I was floored when she told me that there had been a FULL PAGE LIEBERMAN AD in the local Jewish paper saying something like, "Lieberman is Israel's true friend". In f*cking ARIZONA!! She couldn't figure out why they'd spent the money, but clearly it was twofold: 1) raise money to defeat Ned from Jewish orgs around the country and 2) to get SunBelt retirees to put pressure on the mishpoche back home in CT to vote for Joe instead of Ned. Either way, it pissed me off all over again.

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by: saramerica @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:51:31 PM CST

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Republican Jewish Council (4.00 / 2)

They were doing this for their own partisan reasons.

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by: Scarce @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 19:10:18 PM CST

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OMG (0.00 / 0)

What a dishonest and manipulative ad!!!

I'm embarassed to share a religion with that POS.

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by: CTPatriot @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 05:32:16 AM CST

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as I said in one of my anti-Lieberman columns (4.00 / 1)

Joe adheres to the letter of Jewish law, but he sure as hell doesn't adhere to the spirit.

Otherwise, he could never have voted for the Military Commissions Act.

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by: saramerica @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 08:51:23 AM CST

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JOes Views differ sharply with 85% of jews (4.00 / 1)

Joe is an Orthodox Jew.  About 85% of jews are not.  Almost all of this 85% bloc along with a few Orthodox jews share our values not Joe Lieberman's.

To allow Joe Lieberman to hijack the Jewish religion is disgraceful.

Likewise, don't let him steal the religion from the majority who practice and preach values entirely different to Lieberme's.

Joe Lieberman and George Bush believe that our govt should cut and run on capturing Osama Bin Laden so that Bush and the neocons could invade Iraq. Despite no Wmds and no links to 9/11, Lieberman supports that decision.

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by: bigdavefromqueens @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 14:49:40 PM CST

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You think that's bad (0.00 / 0)

You should see the one from the same group that informs you that Jimmy Carter is a raging anti-Semite.

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by: D for Demsbetta @ Wed Nov 15, 2006 at 11:10:39 AM CST

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This seriously peas me oh (4.00 / 1)

Especially when you consider that we Hebes were the original commie pinko fags so despised by the right.

That they have the bald faced NERVE to say "Sadly, the Democratic Party of Roosevelt and Truman is no more."

As a "Recovering Republican", I can say that the party I joined when I first registered to vote is no more. It's been hijacked by the Evangelicals and the Neocons.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

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by: saramerica @ Mon Nov 13, 2006 at 08:50:26 AM CST

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I want the DSCC, Schumer and Reid to be held to account! (4.00 / 1)

They enabled Joe.  They gave their friend a free return trip ticket.  They went against their creedo to elect Democrats.  They stole donors money and gave it to a non-Democrat.
They hid the truth about the Seniority issue.  They humiliated a good man.

To be offer a blunt analogy, the DSCC was to Joe as a pimp is to a prostitute. 

Dedicated to a Clean and Lean Democratic Party or Bust!

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by: hazmaq @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:52:27 PM CST

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herein lies the problem (4.00 / 1)

We keep expecting justice, when I fear that the only place we can truly hope to find it is under J in the dictionary.

they did everything you say, feel fully justified in doing so, and have no remorse.  They not only don't care what we think, they don't care what we do.

All hands on deck to worship the "vital center," which of course listed starboard awhile ago..

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 20:24:48 PM CST

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87% of jewish voters voted democratic in 2006 (4.00 / 1)

read that on the exit polls.

Although Lieberman did well with Jewish voters (about 60%)I think you have to understand a few things about this 60%.

1.  A few of them represent the 10-15% far right orthodox fringe found in places like Waterbury.  They will never vote for a Democrat.

2.  Many Jewish voters, like voters of any religion or ethnicity, will go for identity over ideology.

3.  There are people like my father in NY who favored Lieberman not wanting to believe that a fellow Jew could be as corrupt and dishonest as Joe Lieberman actually is.

4.  A lot of Lieberman's 60% came from elderly voters out of a sense of loyalty.  Remember Lieberman was pretending to be progressive when sending mailers to Democratic voters.

Joe Lieberman and George Bush believe that our govt should cut and run on capturing Osama Bin Laden so that Bush and the neocons could invade Iraq. Despite no Wmds and no links to 9/11, Lieberman supports that decision.

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by: bigdavefromqueens @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 20:36:42 PM CST

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Never, Ever Forget the Power of a Politics of Hope (4.00 / 1)

The arid atmosphere in which this type of rhetoric thrives is one in people have not yet seen and experienced the alternative.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 14:34:11 PM CST

DRAFT Anyone? (0.00 / 0)

Is that megalomaniac LieberME forgetting that some National Guard troops are being sent back to Iraq for a third tour of duty?  The only way he's going to get more soldiers to send there is if there is a DRAFT, and that's a fact!  Why doesn't someone ask him that about that?

Now he's sending a not so subtle messages about switching parties if he's not happy.  There is not one shred of decency or sense of humility about this scumbag.

I can't wait to hear what Tim has on Hadassah and her Hill & Knowlton big pharm and insurance industry ties.  The Blowviator has been sleeping with our enemy for years!

I wonder if Joe realizes how hated he has become in many quarters.  But then Mr. ME ME ME doesn't care.

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by: MizQue @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 16:39:46 PM CST

In a way, I believe it fuels his sense of righteous entitlement (4.00 / 1)

Criticism is an opportunity to attack.

He is well insulated from introspection or insight into himself, and in fact seems to be an observer or bystander of his own viciousness, apparently unable to connect his actions and words with the response of the electorate.

He seems unable to hold himself accountable.  His insight into others' attitudes toward him is that they are wrong, and when he does the exact same thing he is either 1) right or 2) justified.

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by: greenpeas @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 16:50:55 PM CST

Re: In a way, I believe it fuels his sense of righteous entitlement (0.00 / 0)

@ Greenpeas

Good assesment.  This is exactly what makes Joe so dangerous! 

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by: MizQue @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 17:43:13 PM CST

shouldn't this have been called (0.00 / 0)

hit me baby one more time

or something equally as dysfunctional and twisted?

Joes relationship with Connecticut is abusive.. and it goes beyond the 'lying' stage.

.Adding Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity to Blogging since 1999!.

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by: nolopro @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 17:45:31 PM CST

Quote of the Day (0.00 / 0)

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

Mark Twain

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by: saramerica @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 18:43:22 PM CST

Not technically a lie (0.00 / 0)

He refused to rule out pulling a reverse Jeffords and crossing the aisle to organize with the Republicans if he didn't like the discipline imposed in the democratic caucus.

Since Senate Democrats seem unclear on the party-discipline concept, such a statement is hypothetical and would never come to pass in the real world.

Seriously - what would Joe have to do to cause Reid and Chuckie C. to grow a pair, and threaten to take one of Joey's toys away?

A) Endorse the Republican candidate for President
B) Appear at the GOP convention to endorse their candidate for President
C) Appear at the GOP convention as the Republican candidate for President
D) None of the above

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by: psyduck54 @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 21:43:42 PM CST

LIEberman (0.00 / 0)

Make no mistake about JOE LIEberman he is one of KARL ROVES boys he was hand picked and above all he will screw the DEMOCRATS any way he can. Just like STEEL was hand picked by KARL ROVE here in MARYLAND and he ran as a DEMOCRAT in some places. But we had the good sence here to see through STEELS BULLSH-- . I was hopping that the PEOPLE OF CT. WOULD SEE through Joe LIEberman as KARL ROVES man but I guess not. As for JOE LIEBERMAN being one of AIPAC boys I feel like PAUL HACKETT I do not like any foreign GOVERMANT having a say in who we ELECT in this COUNTRY THEY SHOULD HAVE TO STATE THAT THEY ARE A REP. OF THAT GOVERMENT..

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by: blackjack @ Sun Nov 12, 2006 at 23:24:44 PM CST

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