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Q-Poll: Lieberman Popular, Lamont Unknown

by: Matthew Gertz

Thu Feb 16, 2006 at 10:17:54 AM EST


The new Quinnipiac Poll is out today, and the results are about what you might have expected. Senator Lieberman's popularity remains sky-high, with a 63%-25% job approval (including a ridiculous 71%-21% among Republicans). 63% of those polled believe Joe deserves to be re-elected. In a primary, 68% of registered Democrats would vote for the incumbent, while 13% would support Ned Lamont.

Those numbers look pretty bad. In fact, the poll director, Dr. Douglas Schwartz, had this to say:

Liberal Democrats unhappy with Sen. Lieberman's position on the war can't find much good news in this poll.

As a lifelong liberal Democrat, I have to disagree with the good doctor. Perhaps I'm looking at the poll through rose-colored glasses (unlikely since, let's face it, I'm hardly the biggest Nedhead on this site), but I think there's data in this poll that lays out an obvious, but fairly promising strategy for Lamont.

First off, as Genghis points out, no one seems to have any idea who Lamont is. He's been featured in a couple of articles in the papers, appeared in a few local news segments, but he hasn't spent any money introducing himself to the state yet. And the poll bears this out: 93% of Connecticut residents haven't heard enough about Ned to have an opinion of him. Only 8% can say the same about Joe. Among those who have an opinion of Ned, 3% of Dems approve of him and 2% disapprove. Of course, that sample is so small as to be completely meaningless. Frankly, and not to sound all DC-consultanty, but Ned needs to open up his wallet, put together a positive introductory TV spot, and make a big media buy, then see where these numbers are.

Surprisingly, even though only 3% of Democrats approve of Ned, 13% would vote for him in a primary. That's the "Anybody but Joe" vote, the people who would vote for any other warm body with a D after his name.

Other notes on Joe's numbers: his support among Republicans continues to be higher than among Democrats. Among Democrats, he has a 57%-30% job approval split, a 61%-31% "deserves to be re-elected" split, and 50% have a positive approval of him compared to 30% negative and 24% mixed. High, yes, but not ridiculously so (Dodd has a 70% job approval among Democrats).

The peripheral numbers also look great for a candidate running on an anti-war, anti-Bush platform. Bush's approval in the state has fallen to an all-time low of 31%, including 8% among Democrats (who are those people?? Did they poll Joe's immediate family?). Only 29% approve of Bush's handling of the war, including 9% of Democrats. Only 24% think going to war was the right thing to do, including 15% of Democrats. These are all the lowest finding the Q-Poll has reported. 25% of Democrats believe the war would be the most important issue in determining who to support in a primary. These numbers are, of course, also fantastic for our congressional candidates.

Long post short: it's early, Joe's numbers are high because for all intents and purposes, he still doesn't have a challenger anyone has heard of, and the Lamont campaign should move to increase Ned's name recognition ASAP. Laying the groundwork and meeting people in small groups is all well and good, but if they want to build a broad fundraising base, they need to convince people he has a shot. Which means they need to get his poll numbers up. Which means they need a paid media campaign to introduce Ned to the public. After that, we'll know where we stand.

Matthew Gertz :: Q-Poll: Lieberman Popular, Lamont Unknown
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Dead on Matthew (0.00 / 0)
Ned Lamont hasn't even said for sure he's running (heres a hint, he is) and his campaign manager was hired about 10 days ago and is building from scratch.These numbbers are exactly what were expected (no change yet) since they are taken of the General Public and Not those tuned in to politics.

From what I'm hearing the Formal announcement is schedualed for the second week of March.The  Biggest number in this poll (80%)show that Lieberman is on the wrong side of the biggest issue in 06.IT"S THE WAR,STUPID is going to be what brings Liebermans Numbers Down and as has been proven before the more people see and hear of him the Lower his Numbers go.

Once Lamont announces and forces "The Sleeping Bear" Joe Lieberman to defend his "stay the Course" and "we're Winning" bullshit Liebermans #s will Drop like a Rock.


Except (0.00 / 0)
A single issue will not do it for Lamont. Agreed it is his foot-in-the-door for a lot of Democrats but Ned Lamont will have to get the entire package going on other issues as well and endorsements from prominent Democrats both in Connecticut and outside.

Of a practical concern, many vote pragmatically, even though they may not like Lieberman's Iraq position and his White House coziness they'll vote for who's better for Connecticut's longterm interests. I don't see how Ned Lamont can compete there. Perhaps someone smarter than me can suggest something.


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What's better for Connecticut is a strong Democratic (0.00 / 0)
Party. Is that a hard sell?

Maybe you are right, maybe people believe Joe brings home the bacon, and they will vote for him regardless.

But I doubt it. We're talking about Dems here, and there isn't much largesse coming our way.

Ned has to make two cases. One for himself, and the other as an indictment of our "bad" Democrat.


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In politics perception is everything (0.00 / 0)
An incumbent, especially one with White house ties, has a decided advantage. Don't 'misunderestimate' the appeal of having someone who has the ear and courts favors with the Republicans and the major power brokers. Sure it repels us but not all Democrats.

As we saw with the New London saga last summer, there are many ways someone like Lieberman can take advantage of situations to his own benefit.


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If we got the 13% who said they would vote for Lamont now (0.00 / 0)
to the polls in August that would already be almost enough to win the Primary.If there is a 25% turnout that will be alot.

THINK ABOUT THAT!


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"if"..."almost" (0.00 / 0)
I support Ned Lamont running.

I wish though more of his support were head-headed and rational about his chances. The reality is this is an uphill fight.

That doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting or a hopeless cause. It isn't. The cause itself is a just one, whether Lamont wins or not. I don't think everyone here understands the full implications of that going in.


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Clarification (0.00 / 0)
....they'll vote for who's better for Connecticut's longterm interests

Who they percieve to better in economic terms, whether or not it is truly the case.

I should have been more clear.


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no on the media buy... (4.00 / 1)
CT is a lot like Orange County CA... when I was running for Congress I had to ask myself "how to get known". There is no TV station that I could make a media buy on that serves Orange County, we are served from LA.

In CT you are served most of your media from NY or Boston. If you make a media buy on commercial TV you are paying for a whole lot of eyeballs that mean nothing to you.

The decision I made was to hit the district with a mailer (Who am I and why am I running) and then follow that up with vols going door to door with position papers and talking points directed at the communities I was running in.

Remmeber what Tip O'Neil said. "All politics is local." Some guy on Shippan Point in Stamford has interests that vary from my old high school buddy that lives in Milford. Ned is going to have to tailor his campaign so that he covers the high ground differences (like the war), but also talk about the local issues and how he will address those.

A directed initial mail piece that is targeted by congressional district (or better yet, congressional district + city + mean income level) would yeaild a much better result.

One thing that I would address in the piece is.

"yes, I have donated money to Joe Liebermans campaigns in the past. As a Democrat I have always supported the Democrats when asked. I'm not a politician, nor was I ever planning on being one. On the other hand, I can't sit by and watch someone claim to represent my Democratic principles and not do so. We need a Democrat who is willing to fight for Democratic principles and who is not going to give George Bush a pass so he can get his presidential kiss on the cheek."

For a great deal of Democrats that "kiss" was symbolic of a massive sell out on the Democratic principles that Joe was supposed to stand for. By speaking plain that the "kiss" was a defining moment for Ned to relaize that he had to step up and run, for someone had to represent the Democrats will resonate well with those that supported Joemento but feel like they were betrayed.


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What about ad buys on WFSB, NBC30 and Channel 8 (ABC) New Haven? (0.00 / 0)
Are they run out of New York?

I think the Lamont campaing is going to need to have multiple media outreach programs going on.

Ned needs to get on Face the State and other CT Media shows.


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Can you buy an election? (4.00 / 1)
The book Freakonomics [http://www.freakonomics.com/] has an interesting chapter devoted to the question of whether elections can be bought. Although I'm skeptical about many of this book's arguments (and economists in general), it does provide an interesting analysis.

The general conclusion is that likeability is the #1 factor in determining who people vote for. The author uses data from situations where the same candidate ran multiple times with different budgets (sometimes spending more, sometimes less than his/her opponent). The money didn’t seem to impact the outcome.

It’s important to note that the likeability theory does tend to give incumbents an advantage – perhaps "The Devil You Know" principle. But, if Lamont can really get out there in a big way, there is no doubt in my mind as to who would win the likeability points.

Let's face it. Lieberman is not a likeable guy. Maybe he was years ago, but not anymore. He's on the wrong side of the issues that people care about. And, just listening to his voice is as painful as some of the interrogation methods used in Guantanamo.

Ned, if you’re reading this…get yourself known. And, get in touch with folks like me that have offered to volunteer. I know it’s early, but the fact that no one has responded to my multiple attempts to get involved is frustrating. Put us to work!


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Another good comment... (0.00 / 0)
Count on this, (in terms of buying elections), Joe Lieberman will have hired minions spreading dirt and lies about Lamont.

Joe has no problem getting down and dirty, and there are plenty of mouthpieces to hire, particularly in CT's cities.

It is why I agree with Adam B that Ned should front-load his campaign expenditures. Better that Ned agressively define himself, than allow himself to be defined by rumor and lies.


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kick his ass, guys (4.00 / 1)
You can probably have a busload of Vermonters down there to help, if it comes to that at crunch time. Lemme know.

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The polls are meaningless at this stage (4.00 / 3)
History tells me that even under ideal circumstances these polls have almost no credibility. Frankly, I don't know why educated people continue to spend money on them. The results of this poll are especially useless, considering one of the candidates:

  a. Hasn't officially said he is running
  b. Is still totally unknown, mostly as a result of "a"

I've been following the Lamont story, and talking about it to anyone who will listen, ever since the first rumors of appeared online. I've registered to volunteer for the campaign and sent a check the day they started accepting money.

Now, if you asked my wife about the election, she might not even remember the name Ned Lamont. Not because we haven't spoken about him and not because she isn't invested in the issues. It's because if you've lived in Connecticut all your life then Joe Lieberman is one of the most familiar names in politics.

Lamont just needs to get in everyone's face. His underdog story, with such divisive issues as Iraw on the table, he can get tremendous mileage from a good PR campaign. When the Lamont vs. Lieberman story makes the evening news, the Farfield Citizen, and The Daily Show, you can bet that my wife and others like her will start to realize that there's an alternative to old Joe.


Damn good comment.... (0.00 / 0)
one of the best yet. And hopefully the Lamont campaign will follow your advice and come after Joe aggressively.

My fear is that they will try a traditional campaign, forgetting that Ned is not a traditional candidate.


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In a way (4.00 / 2)
I think it can be a plus that Ned is flying under the radar right now.  The internets, (the ones that matter) are buzzing about Ned.  We're now a built-in support base.  I hope we're not taken for granted, and I have no reason to believe that we will be.

Imagine when Ned announces his candidacy officially.  He will have x number of dollars in the bank, over 1,000 supporters in CT ready to go, and hopefully a whole schedule of appearances, press releases, etc.  Folks will go to Ned's website, and they'll be able to get a feel for the candidate.  His next three appearances will be at the top of the page, by the donation boat graphic.  They'll check the links on Ned's blogroll and have over a month of Ned posts to catch up on.  Ned will already have an established track record of support on the web, and in the few articles in papers. 

Until that time, I think we've made it clear that when action is necessary, we are ready to act.  I'll take the hints from Kim and Aldon, that a.) Ned's detailed strategy/plans will not be discussed in such a public forum and b.) we do not need to wait for marching orders to spread the word about Ned Lamont.

I'm waiting impatiently for an official call to service, (not the draft...I'm too young to die) but until that time I'm spreading the word, updating the Ned Lamont Resource daily (20-30 people per day stumble upon it...not a lot compared to sites that get "real" traffic, but hopefully they all click through to Pro-Ned posts, articles, and/or the official site).

I say, Unknown but not out (Not even "in" yet, depending on who you ask I suppose).

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I'm totally freaked out (4.00 / 1)
that I received an e-mail from the Lamont campaign, time-stamped for about one minute prior to posting this message. 

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Well...not entirely useless (4.00 / 2)
The poll reaffirms what we already knew: Lieberman is more popular with Republicans and Lamont is virtually unknown. Big whoop, right?

No, not at all. As others have already mentioned name recognition is key. Lamont will have to "frontload" his campaign for maximum visibilty when he announces. A minor press conference somewhere buried on page 4 won't do the trick.

The Daily Show is an excellent idea. It could backfire, of course, but is worth the shot.

As Dylan sang,

When you ain't got nothin'
You got nothin' to lose.


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Seeking Daily Show contact (0.00 / 0)
If ANYBODY has a contact at the Daily Show please e-mail me.  I would dearly love for Ned to appear.  My best e-mail for this kind of stuff now is scheduler@nedlamont.com
Thanks.

Try Headline Entertainment (0.00 / 0)
They are Stewart's booking agent for appearances. They might be able to point you in the right direction.

Number is 888-552-6737

Start out with "Ned Lamont challenging Joseph Lieberman for Senate" because they will screen calls rigorously.

Or put together a nice presentation and FedEx it to the Daily Show studios at
513 West 54th Street, NYC 10019.

Or network with your high-powered political contacts -- you must have some by now! They might be able to help you with info or contacts.

Or ask Ned! He's in the cable TV business fer crissakes. He must be able to pick up the phone and talk to Comedy Central!


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Daily Show Address (0.00 / 0)
I remember going to see the Daily Show on 54th street...but haven't they moved?  It's possible that they're on the same street, I don't know the new address.  I think they film the Colbert Report at the old Daily Show studio.

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Probably needs mentioning (0.00 / 0)
Free Image Hosting

Lieberman and John Stewart (Liebowitz) seemed to get along very well.


[ Parent ]
Please, please, please (0.00 / 0)
Someone please tell me Stewart's getting ready to stab him in the hand with his pen.

[ Parent ]
Liebowitz? (0.00 / 0)
You seem to be implying that Jon likes Joe because they're both Jewish. This is incorrect.

Jon likes Joe because they're both funny. Because they're both Jewish ;).


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A tricky one (0.00 / 0)
I was implying Stewart may be reluctant to have Lamont on lest it offend "his people". Are there anti-semitic overtones to that? I'm not sure. Not intentional ones. Certainly though some of the touchier Lieberman supporters would probably think so.

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No antisemitism implied. (0.00 / 0)
I don't think Stewart is unlikely to have Lamont on because it would offend "his people". I think he's unlikely to have him on because Lamont has limited national visibility. How many CHALLENGERS for office have you seen on the Daily Show? Presidential challengers, sure. High profile sitting senators, of course. But I don't expect to see Bob Casey or Sherrod Brown on any time soon either.

I think we in the progressive blogosphere expect too much from Stewart. Is he a liberal? I think he might be. But his job isn't to inform his audience or to stay "on message". It's to be funny. Joe doesn't get on the show because he's a fellow Jew (when was the last time you saw Feingold or Specter on?), but because he's a national figure who is a very funny interview on the show.


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Unlikely sure (0.00 / 0)
Though there is the curiosity appeal of why Lamont would be running against one of the supposed more important and certainly well-known Democratic Senators. I was thinking instead of an across the table chat with Jon more of Ed Helsm intrepid reporter piece would be what they might do. And of course that would be dangerous for Ned Lamont, to look silly in front of national audience.

I threw that out there because both Stewart and Lieberman use their own Jewishness openly as part of their public persona. Feingold..Specter..Barbara Boxer...not so much.


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Even I'll Admit that Lieberman is Good at Schtict (0.00 / 0)
Although not THAT good.

  The part he plays is more irritating to those of us who have watched him play it for over 30 yrs and know his record inside out than it is funny though.


[ Parent ]
Oy gevalt! Genug, Matthew, genug! (0.00 / 0)
Zay nit ken shmok, vet men fun dir nit lakhn!

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Translatin (0.00 / 0)
Oh My God! Enough Mathew,Enough

Don't be a schmuck, and people won't laugh at you!

I love Google.
How'd I do?LOL


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