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Glitches In ConnPost Article

by: BlastFromGlast

Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 10:31:42 AM EST


( - promoted by Jon Kantrowitz)

(Crosspost: http://www.ctvoterscount.org/?... )

ConnPost:  "Glitches didn't affect election outcome" <read>

CTVotersCount.org: "Not So Fast, Please"

A ConnPost article gives a broad brush feel good assessment of the election.  We are not ready to agree that everything went fine.  We have no reason to doubt that the results were accurate enough that the voters' intent was realized in the results, however, we will wait for the results of the post-election audit and other analysis.  Unfortunately, unless this audit goes much differently than the last three we will still be left with a level of uncertainty.

We also have some comments on the details in the article.  

The Article says:

Some individuals filled in circles for Jim Himes on both parties.

"Those votes counted and would register under the Working Families party for qualification purposes.," said Bysiewicz. She said the machines would not reject those votes unless the ballot was filled out incorrectly elsewhere.

There must be some confusion on the part of the Secretary of the State or the ConnPost:

Fact: For voters that fill in bubbles for a cross endorsed candidate twice, they should be counted by the machine as Himes Unk (Unknown).  When only one bubble is filled in then they would be counted for Himes Dem or Himes Wkf etc.

So unless the particular machine was programmed incorrectly, the article is incorrect.

BlastFromGlast :: Glitches In ConnPost Article
The Article says:

In Stratford, two districts were combined in one polling place which led to voters getting and voting on the wrong ballot...

Because of the Stratford situation, Bysiewicz said she intends to "strongly urge" Advertisement registrars of voters never to use the same optical scanning machine for two different districts.

"Every polling place has to have two machines," she said. "I don't know why they did this."

As a result people were given the wrong ballots and voted for the wrong state legislators.

"We believe the machine accepted 50 to 75 of these ballots," said Bysiewicz. "But the margins of victory were such that it didn't impact any of these elections." Stratford"s registrars of voters could not be reached for comment Wednesday afternoon. As a result it could not be determined where this took place.

This won't solve the problem:

What is needed is two completely different checkin lines leading to two separate ballot clerks and optimally two sets of booths leading to two separate machines.  If someone gets the wrong ballot then the most likely result would be rejection on one machine and the voter directed to feed it into the other machine.  So, having two machines is not a complete solution.  The solution must prevent the voter from getting the wrong ballot in the 1st place and not getting a wrong replacement if they need to try again.  

500 voters upset with Democracy is not a good result:

For the 500 Bridgeport voters, Bysiewicz said she "feels heartbroken" they could only vote using the federally-mandated presidential preference ballot. That ballot only allows the individual who can show identification containing a legitimate address to vote for president even if they are not registered.

"Some people just want to vote for president," said Joseph Borges, Bridgeport's Republican Registrar of Voters. "I try to tell them it's the state and local elections that are going to effect their lives and their pocketbook more."

"We've tried to put the word out that if you registered through a group and did not get a letter acknowledging this within a week that you should contact your Registrar of Voter," Bysiewicz said. "That's why I'm a proponent for election day registration."

Former Gov. John Rowland vetoed such a measure in 2004.

Several of the Bridgeport voters said they registered with ACORN and blamed the community group for their problems Tuesday night.

ACORN registrations in Bridgeport, Stamford and Norwalk are the subject of an investigation by the state Elections Enforcement Commission.

"Any failure of the Registrar of Voters to process the applications of eligible voters is at best an inexcusable mistake for which the registrar should be held accountable, and at worst is an example of voter suppression targeted against the low-income constituencies that ACORN represents, " said Nicholas Graber-Grace, an ACORN organizer.

Borges believes the state needs to do something about groups that pay their people to register voters.

"It's a major problem," he said. "I've got stacks of applications that were not accepted because there is no number for the street address, no birthdate, no phone number...I want to see Election Enforcement come down harshly on this."

Note: "Some people just want to vote for president," said Joseph Borges, Bridgeport's Republican Registrar of Voters. "I try to tell them it's the state and local elections that are going to effect their lives and their pocketbook more." - has nothing to do with this problem of the 500 voters who thought they were registered.

This is not a feel good result.  There are many reasons why these voters could not have been registered:  Voter error, ACORN error, Registrar's error, and Other.  It is worth investigating and correcting.  

There are two problems that could be solved with one blow: election day registration.  Clearly it could solve the problem of voter registration errors and the problems/issues surrounding Presidential ballots.  But there is much more to say about election day registration, pros, cons, and what it would take to implement it well - the devil and the possibility lies in the details - a topic for another day.

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I Wondered What Those "Himes Unk" Totals Were (0.00 / 0)
Now I know.

Perhaps the SOTS is correct that they will count the Himes Unknown totals towards WF qualifying for the ballot next time around, so neither she nor the paper is incorrect.


Borges is Ridiculous (0.00 / 0)
Borges believes the state needs to do something about groups that pay their people to register voters.

"It's a major problem," he said. "I've got stacks of applications that were not accepted because there is no number for the street address, no birthdate, no phone number...I want to see Election Enforcement come down harshly on this."

Incomplete applications, while annoying, are not fraud. Why in the world would Election Enforcement come down harshly on this?


Un Fucking Believable (0.00 / 0)
Borges believes the state needs to do something about groups that pay their people to register voters.

HE IS PAID TO REGISTER VOTERS! WTF

Mayor Finch, I think I just found you another $50K that you can cut out of your budget.

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Geeze... (0.00 / 0)
I know a lot of people that would love to have the problem of being payed to do that job.


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


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Is Borges in compliance with federal election code? (0.00 / 0)
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/us...

(2) No person acting under color of law shall-
(A) in determining whether any individual is qualified under State law or laws to vote in any election, apply any standard, practice, or procedure different from the standards, practices, or procedures applied under such law or laws to other individuals within the same county, parish, or similar political subdivision who have been found by State officials to be qualified to vote;

(B) deny the right of any individual to vote in any election because of an error or omission on any record or paper relating to any application, registration, or other act requisite to voting, if such error or omission is not material in determining whether such individual is

Don't know about you, but it sounds to me like the law means:

1.  There better not be any other apps on file with missing data and

2.  The data that caused them to reject the apps must be "material", not just gotcha rejections.

I'm not clear that a missing phone number (as Borges mentioned in above quote) would be a reason to deny an application, for example.  Not everyone has a phone.


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Wanna check? (0.00 / 0)
I'd love to get a list of people forced to vote by provisional and presidential ballot, then see how many of those had submitted voter reg cards that were rejected.

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They discussed the same issue at the New Milford (0.00 / 0)
Town Hall as the results came in:

"Some individuals filled in circles for Jim Himes on both parties.

"Those votes counted and would register under the Working Families party for qualification purposes.," said Bysiewicz. She said the machines would not reject those votes unless the ballot was filled out incorrectly elsewhere."

I wrote about that on election night. We had the exact same problem with New Milford results for Murphy.

A couple of machines failed early on in Gaylordsville and at the Hill and Plain polling station. They switched them out and things rolled smoothly after that.

Murphy and Obama won. Appropriate NOs and YESs are winning. And Himes won too!

There has been some minor issues with people voting for candidates on their regular party line AND on the WFP line. The votes are, apparently, counted only once for the candidate BUT the vote is given to the WFP. (or something like that?) The software glitches on...




Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


And there were no instructions on how to put the ballot in the box (0.00 / 0)
The box rejected my ballot the first time. Whoopsies!

The nice lady standing there mentioned that I might have put it in the 'wrong way'.

I reversed it, and it took.

I wonder if it registered as a non-vote. Did it take? And why didn't she tell me the first time? Why is she being paid to stand there. Where were the directions?



Lots of ballots don't go through the 1st time (0.00 / 0)
I spent about half of election day as a Machine Tender.

I would say about 1/3 of ballots did not go through the 1st time. Most went the 2nd time, whether turned around or not.

The "nice lady" was misinformed, unless you tried sideways.  Vote side up, or down, top or bottom first it can read it any one of those ways.

because Connecticut voters count: http://www.CTVotersCount.org


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Except for one thing (0.00 / 0)
that sounds like a pretty high reject rate to me.  It suggests that the machine you were tending was not able to read the ballot accurately in certain orientations, despite the fact that when correctly functioning with correctly printed ballots, such rejections should not occur.  It raises the question as to what it WAS reading when the ballot was accepted.

I'm guessing that ballot rejection could be due to e.g.:

1.  dust on the reader being "read" as an overvote
2.  misplaced ballot edge markings somehow causing the machine to look in the wrong place for ballot markings

If there was dust on the reader, what is the possibility that undervotes did not become actual votes?  I hope your district is one that is audited -- it could be a very interesting opportunity to compare that high reject rate with the accuracy of ballot read.  If that town is picked, I hope you will encourage the ROV to consider looking at that race. (Oh, forgot, they are supposed to pick the races "randomly", right?)

If not, the ROV might consider taking a can of pressurized air to whatever she can reach of the ballot path to dislodge any ballot dust.



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