The Clinton Myth - The Dem Primary is Over

Enjoy your weekend! (0.00 / 0)

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by: Connecticut Man1 @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:13:09 AM UTC

Bill Clinton has struck again... (4.00 / 1)

 Speaking to an audience at a V.F.W. hall in North Carolina, Bill Clinton praised the patriotism and service of both John McCain and Hillary. He then immediately went on to say,(paraphrase), that he felt it would be nice to have a general election between two candidates who love this country and have this county's interest at heart. Where the electorate could simply decide who is right on the issues, instead of the stuff that always creeps into our politics.

 The unmistakable inference being that while McCain and Hillary are patriots and love our country; Barack Obama isn't and doesn't. The Clinton bullshit machine is already spinning that isn't what Clinton meant. But they, like Bill Clinton, insult our intelligence on a regular basis...and one more thing Mr. Clinton; you have supplied more than your share, over your career, of the "other stuff" that you say infects our politics.

 Any respect I once had for Bill Clinton has long since evaporated.  
 

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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by: Jake Blount @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:27:24 AM UTC

I have always thought (4.00 / 1)

of Clinton in the same way I would think of a "tolerable" conservative. You know? Fiscally responsible but at least some socially liberal views on a few big issues. But I have never thought of him as a liberal in any way. Right now I would classify Hagel in that way because he is right on the biggest issue of the day, Iraq. But that does not mean I would ever vote for him unless, say, he were the only choice in a campaign against 100 years of war McCain. I would be even less inclined to vote for a Clinton for the reason that he (then) or she (now) is supposed to represent the left.

That would be just counterproductive to everything I believe in and am trying to do, IMHO.


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by: Connecticut Man1 @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 15:57:15 PM UTC

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Bill Clinton's offensive patriotism remarks (4.00 / 1)

It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics.

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by: Scarce @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 16:09:15 PM UTC

The sad part (4.00 / 1)

is that he is tarnishing his legacy and all the positive things he has done by shilling this kind of stuff for his wife's campaign.

It's sad to see, as he becomes more irrelevant every day.  

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by: Met00 @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 20:11:57 PM UTC

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He tarnished his legacy with Lewinsky's blue dress. (4.00 / 1)

If Bill had more self-control then, Al Gore would have more decisively won the 2000 presidential election, instead of trying to run away from that scandal into the arms of Lieberman. And we would be coming out of eight sixteen years of a Democratic presidency, instead of eight years of GWB.

Actions have consequences.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.

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by: connecticutyankee @ Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 21:08:31 PM UTC

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The Obama myth: that he has all he needs to win the election (4.00 / 1)

The last time I looked, Obama did not have the votes--at any level--to win the nomination. Neither does Clinton.

So, it is increasingly evident, that BOTH CAMPAIGNS are seeking to either come out ahead in the popular vote once ALL of the primaries are over, as well as seeking to "flip" super delegates to increase their count.

The elephant in the room is NOT  a "black man for President", it is NOT, "the first woman to break the gender ceiling for President" it is still, as it has always been: Michigan and Florida.

Period.

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by: scgcfc @ Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 11:27:46 AM UTC

Michigan and Florida (4.00 / 1)

I don't think having Michigan and Florida re-votes would necessarily solve the issue conclusively. I think Obama can take Michigan--even with him not on the ballot, Hillary only got 55% of the vote. Michigan not only has a heavy African-American constituency in the Detroit area but also the largest concentration of Arab-Americans in the country--both groups will side with Obama and I think the white vote will go the same way in Michigan as it did in Wisconsin. I think Obama could easily take Michigan.

As for Florida, it's high concentration of retirees, Jews, and Hispanics could make it easy for Hillary--but Richardson's endorsement of Obama could lower Hillary's support among the Hispanic population. I still think she can take Florida--but not by the large margin as she did before when Obama did not even campaign in the state.

So if Hillary takes Florida and Obama takes Michigan, I think we could be back where we started.  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison

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by: sufi @ Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 13:31:16 PM UTC

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BUT Not Having Re-Votes (4.00 / 1)

is worse than being back where we started.  Hillary claims both states and uses them to win - or both states are disallowed - pissing off the voters there.  Ugly either way.

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by: Jon Kantrowitz @ Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 15:19:33 PM UTC

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False (4.00 / 1)

Almost nothing in your post is in fact true.

--Of the two, Obama has a clear path to the now 2025 delegates now needed. He would however need Clinton to drop-out after she was mathematically eliminated.

--Only the Clinton campaign has ever mentioned the popular vote as a true determinant. The Obama campaign has kept on the delegate count, for obvious reasons, not least of which is that that it is what truly matters. (FWIW, Obama is up over 700,000 now on states whose votes count and if caucus states are added on best estimates that number goes up to over 900,000.)

--Michigan and Florida will almost certainly not have a revote at this time.

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by: Scarce @ Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 15:23:28 PM UTC

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Then it's really too bad (4.00 / 1)

Florida and Michigan made the decisions they made.  Now they (and we) have to live with the decisions they made.  Actions have ramifications.  Taking responsibility for your actions is a bitch. But there it is.

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by: chele @ Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 05:25:49 AM UTC

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Obama Girl has the answer! (4.00 / 1)

She's back -- and making more sense than those talking heads on TV.

Here's her latest video ... hilarious!

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by: CaptCT @ Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:06:50 AM UTC