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Leftwing Gatekeepers and the Demonization of NH Primary Skeptics

by: CTPatriot

Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 06:35:15 AM EST


One trait I acquired early on in life was a very natural curiosity about how things fit together and what made them work. That trait was further refined during my 4 years at engineering school, where I was taught to examine every possible means of solving a problem before arriving at a conclusion. There were often multiple ways at arriving at said conclusion, some of which were better than others, but all of which were feasible. Ultimately, what I learned was to always keep an open mind, to investigate every situation as thoroughly as possible, and to be skeptical where evidence suggests that a given conclusion may be incorrect.

Having spent 12 years writing custom database software much like that which lies at the heart of our e-voting machines, it was natural for my curiosity to be piqued by them, especially once all the accusations of vote rigging surfaced in both the 2000 and 2004 elections. So I endeavored to learn as much as I could about the operation of these machines in order to determine for myself whether claims of vulnerability to hacking and miscalculations were valid. The more I learned, the more convinced I became that things were as bad or worse than the claims I had read, and the more concerned I became over the use of these machines for managing our elections.

Study, after study, after study, as well as independent investigations conducted by election integrity groups such as BlackBoxVoting.org, validated my fears that these machines could, with varying degrees of ease, be undetectably modified (either on purpose or by accident) in a manner that would corrupt the results of an election.
CTPatriot :: Leftwing Gatekeepers and the Demonization of NH Primary Skeptics

To no surprise, supporters of the Bush administration and their stenographers in the corporate media were quick to apply the "conspiracy theorist" label to anyone who dared to question the results of either the 2000 or the 2004 elections. It didn't matter a whit to them that provable voting machine errors had occurred. The media saw no reason to investigate further despite the other evidence of orchestrated attempts by the GOP to manipulate the election to their advantage through the use of caging lists and other forms of vote suppression. And the Democratic party was apparently too worried about appearing to be sore losers, or too concerned with "moving on" to push for investigations (can you hear me now, John Kerry??).

The wingnuts have successfully used the "conspiracy theorist" label to cover up so many crimes over the last 7 years that, frankly, I've come to wear it as a badge of honor. The president lied about WMD's in Iraq? "You conspiracy theorist!" He's been tapping all our phones without warrants since before 9/11? "You freaking conspiracy theorist!" It's the all-purpose put-down. I expect it from them.

I don't, however, expect it from those on the progressive side of the fence. Liberals/progressives, after all, tend to be more open-minded by nature, more tolerant of non-conforming views. Yet the use of "conspiracy theorist" in order to muzzle discussion of certain discomforting topics, for example, belief that the NH primary may have been hacked, appears to be all too alive and well on some of the most popular left leaning blogs, such as DailyKos:
But in a front-page post over at dKos last week, titled "Enough with the 'Diebold Hacked the NH Primary' Lunacy", by anonymous diarist "DHinMI", in which questions of the sort I've been asking (not-anonymously) are supposedly "debunked" --- in both the article and the comments --- and with a sizable arsenal of out-and-out inaccurate information, bludgeoned up and down the comments section, from the original diarist and his fellow "faith-based" voting supporters and blogging conspirators.

The eponymous Kos himself even jumped in to the comments thread on that story to warn, rather threateningly: "Anyone who persists with this crap is engaging in unsupported conspiracy theories and violating site policy, a bannable offense."

And just in case that sounds atypical (my emphasis):
It was obvious after the 2004 election that Daily Kos creator, Markos "kos" Zuniga was more afraid of the establishment than he would have people believe when he unilaterally declared that reports of election fraud would be stricken from his site. Despite years of evidence now gathered, despite the volumes published, despite expert opinion and analysis, kos ' position has not wavered on this, despite daily reports of Republican-led election shenanigans across the country, with only the latest (and most benign) being the Romney campaign's corruption of a Florida GOP straw poll.
Regarding the NH primary skepticism, it is worth reminding everyone at this point of what we know and what we do not know. Here is what we do know:
  • Approx. 80% of NH ballots are counted by Diebold Optical Scanners
  • Approx. 20% of NH ballots are counted by hand
  • Hand counted vote totals (Obama: 38.7%, Clinton: 34.8%) were very much in synch with what had been predicted by pre-election polls, internal campaign polls, and, most importantly, early exit polls.
  • Machine counted totals (Clinton: 39.7%, Obama: 36.3%) were wildly divergent from pre-election polls, internal campaign polls and, most importantly, early exit polls, all of which had Obama beating Clinton by several points
  • Pre-election polls provide an educated guess of where the voters stand, but have high margins of error and cannot necessarily be relied on as an accurate predictor of the outcome of an election.
  • Exit polls, on the other hand, have a reputation of being highly reliable, though still not perfect, at predicting the outcome of elections. According to Edison/Mitofsky, "Exit Polls are interviews with voters after they have cast their votes at their polling places. A sample of precincts are scientifically selected to collectively represent a state, or for the national Exit Poll, the nation. An interviewer gives every nth voter exiting the polling place a questionnaire to complete. There are questions about demographics such as gender, age, race, and issues related to the person's vote choice in different contests. Participation is voluntary and anonymous. The interviewing starts when the polls open and continue throughout the day until about an hour before the polls close.". It should be noted that this same company's exit polls were considered so accurate by the US government that they were used to overturn the Ukrainian election. Exit polls are used by many countries around the world as a method of detecting election fraud.
  • The only Democratic candidates whose vote totals were wildly divergent from the New Hampshire polls were Clinton and Obama.
  • Diebold Optical scanners, which are the only e-voting machines used in NH, are susceptible to programming error as well as malicious hacking, both of which would very likely be undetectable to election officials or the public without a hand counted audit of the paper ballots

Here is what we do not know:
  • Whether the voting machines in NH tabulated the ballots accurately, and if they did not, whether it was due to error or sabotage, and if it was due to sabotage, who was responsible.
  • Why machine counted totals were so far off from the polling
  • Whether the various pre-election and exit polls were correct or incorrect
It is important to bear in mind that the machine counted ballots in NH have never actually been examined or counted by anything other than optical scanners. There has been no hand-counted audit of the results nor are there any requirements for such audits in New Hampshire like there are here in Connecticut where we use the same exact machines.

The fact that pre-election polls, internal campaign polls and early exit polls (early means before adjusting to match official election results) as well as hand counted ballots showed Obama winning while machine counted ballots did not, should, for those with an open and skeptical mind, raise serious concerns over the validity of New Hampshire's Democratic primary results. Yet as we witnessed in both 2000 and 2004, polling companies and pundits chose to ignore the possibility that the results were wrong, instead insisting that their polling methodology was flawed or that certain candidates' voters must have lied to them. Such polling company excuses/explanations, which have proven wrong in the past and appear highly dubious in many cases this time around, are based on the assumption that the official NH election results are accurate. With 80% of the ballots having been tabulated by machine, and no verification of the accuracy of those tabulations, this is a highly dubious assumption to make. One might even call this "faith-based election analysis" because it relies on the willingness to place unquestioned trust in the accuracy of privately maintained, secretly coded, insecure voting machines.

The bottom line is that nobody can say for sure what really happened in New Hampshire without a hand count of the ballots (assuming that the ballots have been transferred and stored securely with a proper chain-of-custody).

Let me ask the unquestioning believers this -- hypothetically, suppose that a person with access to the voting machines' memory cards succeeded in installing an undetected hack that added votes to one candidate and subtracted an equal number of votes from others. In that situation, which we know is possible thanks to the Hursti hack demonstrated in the video above, the total number of ballots and voters would remain unchanged. However, the total number of votes for various candidates would be fraudulent. Were this to happen, the official vote totals for each of the affected candidates should show a large variance from what was anticipated by the exit polls. If discrepancies between polling data and actual data aren't enough to arouse your suspicions, what exactly will it take? Someone with a handlebar moustache and a neon sign saying, "I hacked the vote"? Seriously?

I would also ask what is the downside to verifying the results of an election? It strikes me as a win-win situation with exactly two potential outcomes. The hand count will match the machine counts, in which case (assuming that the ballots themselves had not been tampered with) it can be stated with confidence that the machines worked as intended and the election results were accurate. If this is the outcome, voters benefit by having greater confidence in the integrity of their elections. And pollsters benefit by having greater confidence that their explanations of failure are based on fact and not assumption.

The other possibility is that the hand count won't match the machine count, in which case we would have uncovered a flawed election in time to correct the results and investigate what went wrong. Again, there is nothing but benefit to the voter here because we would have discovered and fixed an erroneous election, potentially uncovered either a crime or a programming error that would require immediate attention, and ultimately taken a step to protect future elections. Pollsters would once again benefit because they would learn that their original polling methodology was accurate and that their polls had been correct.

When an election's results appear to be anomalous, as is the case in New Hampshire, we are delinquent in our responsibility as citizens of a democracy if we do not attempt to independently examine and verify the accuracy of those results. To villify those who are seeking to do that strikes me as the very antithesis of what we claim to stand for in this country.
"This recount isn't about who won 39% of 36% or even 1%. It's about establishing whether 100% of the voters had 100% of their votes counted exactly the way they cast them," Kucinich said last week, after questions arose about the apparent come-from-behind win by Senator Hillary Clinton which had stunned pundits and pre-election pollsters who had predicted a substantial win by Senator Barrack Obama. (Source: BradBlog)
Without that assurance, the democracy we supposedly have here is nothing but an illusion.

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(Update - Thurs. Jan. 17th) - The NH recount got underway yesterday. Most of the wards in Manchester, which I believe is New Hampshire's second largest city, have been recounted. On the Democratic side, there are no major discrepancies (all under 1% error). On the Republican side, however, there are huge discrepancies based on percentages but not so great based on the number of votes that were off -- 3 candidates' totals were off by over 20%, which is huge, but the largest number of votes gained/lost was 24. That should certainly send up some warning signals, nonetheless. Election protection specialists who converged on the state are reporting serious issues with the conduct of the election, particularly in regard to the handling of memory cards, some of which have gone missing, poll tapes that were not signed, and errors that occurred in the optical scanners on election day, such as one location that used the wrong pens causing 550 ballots to be read as blank (This was caught by poll workers who then hand counted the ballots). See BradBlog and BlackBoxVoting for details and ongoing coverage.

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Well said... (4.00 / 2)
What good are paper ballots if you're not willing to use them to audit results?

What's more, the candidates shouldn't have to pay for the audit. There should be the expectation that a random audit will take place at districts around the state. If those audits turn up fraud, it should trigger a recount.

Also, all the chain-of-command issues need to be addressed. They haven't been addressed here in CT, either.


What A Great Write-Up (4.00 / 1)
However KOS is hardly the whole left wing - any other evidence of demonization?

Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
Aside from a lot more demonization by Kos participants in the comments to DHinMI's post, Brad mentions Rick Moran at American Thinker:

"While professional pollsters are suprised [sic] that the results were so different than predicted, they are quietly going about the business of determining where they went wrong. They are taking a scientific approach to the problem - something that Friedman has rejected in favor of hysteria and paranoia," Moran continues, before taking another swipe at me as an "intrepid lefty dolt." (link: http://www.americanthinker.com...

Definitely true that Kos is not the whole left wing, but his blog is one of the most heavily trafficked and one of the more influential political websites.


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Kos Influential? Maybe not so much... (4.00 / 1)
Ok, so I have to admit feeling a bit gleeful after I saw the results of this poll that was posted over on DailyKos (3pm snapshot as posted on BradBlog):

To place your vote or see the latest results: New Hampshire Recount: Already worth it! w/poll

DISCLAIMER: I know I've picked on Kos here, so let me first of all confess that I think overall it's a great blog and I find Markos entertaining. That said, I get very angered at people who have some measure of influence and power in our community, which Markos does, using that in a manner that stifles discussion of controversial but important topics like election fraud.


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How to watch the recount imho (4.00 / 3)
Because there are unanswered questions about the chain of custody and all the votes are being carted to a central location for recount, there are imho good reasons to view each report of an anomaly with a "wait and see" attitude and remember that an election recount without an extablished chain of custody isn't really a secure election, and that to me is the take home message.  As much as anything, having people who have seen the worst in dialogue with NH election officials, which may prove to be the best state in terms of its overt attitude toward elections, is a less than sexy news line but perhaps the most productive outcome for safe elections.

This is the chance to look under the hood of the system in NH.  Anytime you do this, a group of  people may converge electronically with an agenda that looks at every anomaly with an "AHA!" attitude, counterbalanced by those who say, "A-holes, there's nothing to see here".  If you're looking under the hood at what happens, it's not "AHA!  I knew it!" in either direction,  but "Hmmm, what are we looking at here."  The anomalies in Ward 5 (what looks on paper with little info to be consistent machine overcount on the top 5 candidates) was described as "missing votes", and that's possible, too -- but there may be a human explanation.  Was Ward 5 run by a new administrator who doubly counted e.g. absentee ballots and added them into totals?  There's simply not enough  info to know, and repeatedly waxing suspicious with each vote anomaly isn't detached enough for me.

On the topic of looking under the hood, Bev Harris of BBV   reported yesterday the following (and I am muscularly paraphrasingn to make the scientific approach a little easier for readers):  

[...]Cuts up to eight inches long [were}-are- spotted in newly delivered ballot boxes. [When asked, election officials said (which officials, I can't tell)]"The only seal that counts is the one on top."

Except the seal on top can be peeled off without leaving a trace, then reaffixed.

Black Box Voting has been doing a chain of custody exam for the New Hampshire Primary's recount. On Wednesday night, Election Defense Alliance's Sally Castleman [reported}: After following the ballots back to the ballot vault following Wednesday's recount, she had the opportunity to enter the ballot vault, and noticed what looked like cuts, or slits, in the side of many ballot boxes. New Hampshire officials assured us that these cuts, which slice through the tape, seals and box itself do not permit access to the uncounted ballots, pointing to a label on the boxtop which they call a seal.

But the "seal" can be removed, like a Post-it, and reaffixed. So it's not a seal all!

We wanted to know if the ballot boxes were slit while in the vault, in the transport van, or came from the towns with slits in them.

I confirmed this morning that many if not most of the boxes scheduled to be counted today had slits in them. I went out when a vanload of ballots arrived, and saw that they were slit at the time they arrived by van. Susan Pynchon and I drove to two nearby towns and watched as they handed over their ballot boxes to "Butch and Hoppy", the two men who drive around in the state in a van picking the ballots up. We observed as they loaded boxes of ballots into the van with no slits at all in them. We videotaped each of these up close. They arrived at the destination without slits. The label on the top was affixed, but in some cases was crumpled, or also damaged.

Of cource, the label affixed to the top can be removed and reattached without telltale signs.

No vault tonight

A significant departure from the normal chain of custody path occurred tonight. They decided not to use the vault to store the ballots. [emphasis mine - cr]

CAVEAT:  
I view this as a chance to see how secure our elections are, and to the extent that chain of custody has been compromised, one cannot really expect this to be a proving ground for "fraud/no fraud" but rather "security/no security".  Healthy skepticism is great, conspiracy theories and  disparagement unhelpful -- citizen interest, thinking about what you are reading, and insisting on facts when speculation occurs will serve us all well.

There will be speculation about what every anomaly means and every less than sanitary breach of good election security.  Slashes on boxes, e.g., don't look good, but if you have followed this type of inquiry over he years, you will know that circumstantial situations that look suspicious are the rule and not exception, and, however frustrating, it's not enough by itself to prove anything.  My attitude is "observe and learn", and hang tight for the complete story when incomplete stories about anomalies or suggestions of improprieties occur.  On the Dem side, I have seen no reports that the Kucinich camp is opting to go into a full recount, which is really too bad.  Mr. Howard on the GOP side has opted for a full recount.


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Wow! (4.00 / 1)
I agree on the wait and see, but I do find the lack of a real seal a little disconcerting and what is up with the slits?

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Short answer: Let's watch and learn (4.00 / 1)
But here's a scenario:  largest turnout in primary history in NH election followed by a recount  means a historic number of ballots must be shipped to Concord for the recount.  Having run out of boxes that are sturdy enough and with a deadline to meet, a helpful longtime volunteer says, "I have  some old boxes in my basement that are kind of ratty, but they'll do." and brings them over. Nosy and suspicious out of staters are convinced something funny is going on.

NOT TRUE - just making it clear that it is an interesting detail that, without context, we can't really know how to evaluate.  

I most certainly don't dismiss the report -- I hold it in suspension and pursue collecting more info from multiple sources.  I am watching blackboxvoting.org, bradblog.com, and bloghopping for comments in NH and voting integrity blogs.  Info is hard to come by at the moment, and is invariably incomplete.


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Watch and learn: update on NH ballot delivery and storage (0.00 / 0)
Here is a link to an expanded and updated report about the ballot boxes with slits in them, and the observation of the overnight storage situation on these ballots, which last night went out of protocol and instead of being stored in the vault as in the past, the ballots were left in a room with a "seal" on it.  This occurred after the pickup and dropoff of ballots was videotaped, and there were no slits on that group of boxes.

It's well worth reading in its entirety.  I'll leave it to readers whether you think it should be excerpted - don't want to overload people here.


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I agree completely that the entire process needs to be investigated and evaluated, and as much as the machines have proven to be both prone to error and open to hacking, one cannot jump to any conclusions about what caused the various anomalies being reported in NH. Considering that we use the same vendor and same machines here in Connecticut, there is much we can learn from seeing what flaws are uncovered in the conduct of New Hampshire's elections. It appears as though they grow more numerous by the day. That bit with the ballot storage seals is really disconcerting.

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BE sure to read (0.00 / 0)
the link in watch and learn.  As you know (but I want to emphasize), it's not just the machines -- the story there about chain of custody makes it clear why the entire process needs thinking through - not just the machines.

Scenario:  The same two drivers in NH are always used for vote driving (NH state law says NH state police are to do it -- but they drive and supposedly a cop car follows - some question as to whether that is always the case).  Due to observing earlier boxes that have tape slits on them,  Bev Harris decides to follow some ballots from leaving a town to arriving in Concord at the counting location.  She videos boxes that are uncut leaving a location, follows the truck and its speeding driver/assistant, and along the way they pull over to meet a green van.  They talk, and the green van pulls away and goes elsewhere.  Boxes arrive intact, no slit marks, and SOTS decides not to lock the ballots up in the vault overnight, in violation of protocol.

Coincidence or inadvertent intervention?  Much more information is needed to assess that --as of now, it's a data point that raises questions about how ballots are shipped and handled.


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One Other Thought (0.00 / 0)
I may have given the wrong impression in my disclaimer above - I'm not saying that I personally believe that fraud occurred in NH. I agree completely with you that there are far too many possibilities as to what happened, including the one that the original results were accurate, to conclude anything at this point.

But I certainly understand why someone might speculate that fraud occurred. After all, we've had 7 years of dealing with a Republican party whose leadership has no compunction about lying, cheating and stealing their way to victory, it's become very difficult NOT to suspect foul play when election results don't pass the smell test. People should be able to openly share such suspicions without being banished. And people ought to be able to advocate for an election's investigation without being labeled "conspiracy theorists" (as you so aptly pointed out, asking for a recount is not synonymous with claiming fraud). That's my disappointment with the way this topic was handled over at Kos.


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No thought police here (4.00 / 1)
No thought police here, CTPatriot.  Believe away, whatever you like.

If you think I don't have my "holy f*cking sh*t" moments when I read this stuff, you would be wrong.  I also have my "come on, the facts don't warrant that attitude or conclusion" moments.  The data coming out on this recount is raw, kind of like listening to a police scanner.  Adjust headset accordingly is all I'm saying.  Yours is clearly adjusted.

The Kos diary, which seems to me to be written by a  Hillary supporter, could be subtitled, "A speculation about an amalgam of selected speculations."  It doesn't shed any light on anything, and imagines its speculative argument is somehow superior to anyone else's.  Not a net contribution to anything, imho.

If we're serious about secure elections, then the possibility exists that careful, factual coverage of this recount could be a way to engage voters interested in election integrity, lay out issues and facts and help clarify the steps that will make elections secure, without discouraging people from voting.

I wouldn't bother to write diaries about this stuff if I didn't take very, very seriously the issue of election integrity and what has  happened in 2000 and since HAVA started large scale implementation.  For me it's just a question of which approach will get us the most constructive traction.

If our elections are not secure, we will need facts and an action plan.  If they are exceedingly secure and well run, voters' confidence will be shored up with facts.  There are several prisms through which election integrity activists are viewed -- nut case, conspiracy theorist, sore loser, etc.  Being careful not to fall into the prism is just an attempt to gain more serious and thinking people's attention on what's happening.


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Stuff like this is important to watch as well... (0.00 / 0)
Via CTVotersCount.Org:
Dori Smith of TalkNationRadio.org articulates problems with voting machines in New Hampshire for Brad Blog in Diebold Voting Machine Failures Found Across State During New Hampshire Primary  <read>

Election Officials Confrim that Employees from LHS Associates, Diebold's Sole Programmer, Vendor, and Service Provider in NH, Were Allowed to Access Vulnerable Optical-Scan Systems Throughout Election Day

All four counties I contacted on January 10th that had used Diebold's electronic machines last week reported problems during the election with the machines. Two other calls that same day turned out to have been to areas where electronic voting is not in use, where hand counts are done instead. If the small sampling is any indication, a statewide study would likely reveal that voting machines failed many times during the 2008 Presidential Primary across the entire state.

The paper ballots cast by 80% of the state's voters have never been examined by anyone to determine the mechanical vote-counting accuracy. The computer counting of those ballots is overseen by a single, private company which is routinely granted extraordinary access to the systems, and interviews with a number of state officials indicate they all seem to have different understandings of what, if any, rules exist to regulate that access...

Just like New Hampshire, Connecticut purchases our optical scanners from LHS Associates and outsources the programming of our elections and the maintenance of our election equipment to LHS.




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Is there anybody at the SOTS office (0.00 / 0)
that is trained to oversee the maintenance of out voting machines?  I would feel more secure knowing that were people in the employ of the state that were as well versed in these machines as the agents of Diebold and LHS.

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Maybe someone is (0.00 / 0)
But the real work on the machine is done by the towns, contracted out through the registrar of voters' office.

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No (0.00 / 0)
It is all local and LHS.  

because Connecticut voters count: http://www.CTVotersCount.org

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Is there any way of knowing (0.00 / 0)
how many people throughout the state, whether SOTS or local, have an acceptable amount of training or knowledge of these machines?

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My Hunch is Not Many Besides UConn (0.00 / 0)
Bearing in mind that our voting machine software and hardware are both proprietary and trade secrets, it would be impossible for anyone in the state government to be capable of anything other than rudimentary maintenance. The one caveat is that the SOTS has been working closely with the UConn computer center, who have really torn into the machines and helped establish security protocols, etc. They are also, according to one of Dori Smith's interviews, assisting with the audit process by taking a random selection of memory cards post-election and ensuring that the data file structures, software, etc. on those cards match what was on them prior to the election.

As far as maintaining the machines, programming the memory cards and responding to emergencies, my understanding is that they rely completely on LHS to do that. Whether there is anyone in the SOTS office with the technical skill to take that on, or whether such a person would have the time to take it on, is something I don't have the answer to.

From what I could tell after meeting the local registrars, they don't have that capability on the local level. This would be perceived as "not needed" because LHS has established positive working relationships with them.


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Depends on what "acceptable amount of training or knowledge" means (4.00 / 1)
Many of the 'LHS employees' were former machine mechanics paid and trained by LHS and assigned to their own town.  They will likely as not be there and paid by the town once LHS is not obliged.  Other towns may train old and new mechanics. If they are sufficient, depends on what they are expected to do, -  competence may vary.

I don't think programming cards by individual towns would be efficient or safe, and would be very hard to manage, especially in small towns. Publicly observable and as transparent as possible programming by the state would seem to be the best solution, but unless something changes LHS will likely be the only source.

My understanding is that (most) towns sent one memory card to UConn before the election and UConn managed to test about half before the election and about half after the election.  We will know more when the UConn report is released - expected by the end of Jan.

because Connecticut voters count: http://www.CTVotersCount.org


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Yeah right. (4.00 / 2)
This would be perceived as "not needed" because LHS has established positive working relationships with them.
 And they're really nice people too!  They even brought us coffee and donuts when they came to service the machines.  The one government service we do not need privatized is elections.

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I just voted (4.00 / 1)
and the yea total is up to 4119, an increase of 600 and the nays have gained only 15.  You really have to question the motives, patriotism, and sanity of anyone who voted no.

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q (0.00 / 0)
Is there a difference in the kinds of places where automatic vs hand counts are done? Like, are ballots hand-counted in rural precincts, or for absentees, or at colleges? Or are hand- and machine-count precincts interspersed in a relatively random fashion?

If they were distributed randomly across the state, it helps your case -- if they weren't, and the difference in counting technology actually matches up with a particular demographic difference, then it's a much harder sell.

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Warning - Data Overload :-) (4.00 / 1)
Hi Matt...

Following are some links that will answer those questions. From what I can see, the 3 biggest cities appear to be machine counted, but everywhere else, including larger towns and what may be the suburbs of those cities, there is a random mix of hand and machine counts that varies by location.

While 80% of the ballots are counted by machine, only 50% or so of the districts use machines. There are 2 different analyses that claim to be of districts with similar size and demographics where the machine versus hand count variance is similar to what we witnessed for the entire state.

Now for the links:

Download link for Excel Spreadsheet with raw data by polling location as well as a designation for each as to whether it is machine or hand counted. This is broken out by county:
http://checkthevotes.com/data/...

Additional online data and analysis tools for NH primary results (as well as other elections):
ALL: http://checkthevotes.com/
NH DEM: http://checkthevotes.com/prima...
NH GOP:
http://checkthevotes.com/prima...

Statistical analysis ""The Diebold Effect": Hillary's Votes Higher From Diebold Machines Even Controlling for Demographics (education, income, population, etc)":
http://scienceblogs.com/develo...

Blogger Analysis using statistical tool for NH:
http://daysofindustry.blogspot...

Neat statistical tool that lets you compare machine count versus hand count totals in any locations specified by total number of votes:
http://neggie.net/vote2008/nh_...

It's all great stuff, though I'm still not sure what to make of it all, nor will I be convinced if the counts match that there wasn't some other way that the vote was shifted. The unadjusted exit polling difference is probably what bothers me the most.

8pm Exit Polls:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/us...


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btw (4.00 / 1)
I'll check those out, but as an aside, if you're interested I've just heard that towns are getting their "test decks" for the 08 primaries now, and that they should be testing the current equipment relatively soon. Call your local registrar if you want to be involved in the inspection process.

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Kucinich... (4.00 / 4)

There are some who seem to wonder about why some of us admire Dennis Kucinich so much. Yet again, his is the courageous voice championing the integrity of democracy.

By the way, that was an outstanding diary.

       

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a


It will be interesting to see what happens in Nevada (4.00 / 2)
In light of the pissing contest between the Hillary camp and now the Democratic Party over the caucus sites in the casinos.  I find it more than a little suspect that three of the people who initially supported the casino caucus sites are Clinton supporters and are now against it.  Kind of makes you go hmmmnnnn.  Time to call out the Diebolt brigade to bail out the Clinton machine.

If there are any irregularities, will Obama step up or will it be up to Kucinich again?


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Dems nixed memory card retention in legislature (4.00 / 2)
From Nancy Tobi, voting rights activist and frequent poster on Blackboxvoting.org:

RE: memory card retention. Friendly legislators filed a bill last session to require holding all memory cards per interpretation of the Voting Rights Act to retain all election "records" for federal elections. At the time, NH Asst. AG Jim Kennedy himself told me that the AG had investigated this and concurred with our conclusion that memory cards fall within this mandate. The NH legislature (Dem majority) killed the bill. The AG did nothing to pursue this.

It's in this thread - I couldn't figure out how to link to the specific post, but look for her name.

Exceedingly well done diary, ctpatriot.  An enormous contribution, all the more so because of your professional insight on this issue.


Naming Names - memory card retention bill (4.00 / 1)
NH Voting integrity activist Nancy Tobi expanding on the above comment regarding the killed memory card retention bill:

Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 5:49 am:    

Democratic Election Law Chair Jane Clemons offered up a strategy to her committee to kill ALL the bills and then allegedly in subcommittee they would revive "the best" of them all in one omnibus bill. Many freshman legislators bought this bogus strategy and indeed voted to kill the bills. (We had several other good bills - parallel election night hand counting, standards for voting machine approval, full voting machine software disclosure, etc). When the subcommittees met, nothing was revived, of course. They came up with one stupid bill to create a crony-appointed technical committee for looking at voting machines.

In NH, all bills must come before the full house, but once the committee recommended killing the bills it was an easy matter of having them killed in the full house as well.

The process was fully controlled and corrupted by Jane Clemons of Nashua, who is an acknowledged "Party Boss" and whose family is hyperinvolved in NH politics and the NH Dem Party as well.

Additionally, Jane received support in public testimony from Deputy SoS Dave Scanlan, the same man responsible for all ballot printing and distribution in NH as well as being responsible for managing all state recounts.

There are your names. Now made public.

As you might expect from the term "Party Boss" in the above quote,  Jane Clemons has endorsed Hillary Clinton.


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What we know, that most politicians do not (4.00 / 3)
A good audit costs about $.26-$.50 per vote cast
An Election costs $3.00+per vote
Candidates spend $millions of our money on elections
The cost of the wrong candidate being elected can be $trillions and thousands of lives.

The value of integrity and confidence in elections: Priceless.

because Connecticut voters count: http://www.CTVotersCount.org


Great post CTPatriot (4.00 / 1)

"Hand counted vote totals (Obama: 38.7%, Clinton: 34.8%) were very much in synch with what had been predicted by pre-election polls, internal campaign polls, and, most importantly, early exit polls.

Machine counted totals (Clinton: 39.7%, Obama: 36.3%) were wildly divergent from pre-election polls, internal campaign polls and, most importantly, early exit polls, all of which had Obama beating Clinton by several points "

CTPatriot that in itself is very telling to support DK's insistence on a recount.

Honesty and integrity is all we are asking for, and have been since 2000.  Amazingly it appears that yet again nothing has been done to ensure a fair election.  

Will we also have the disenfranchised voters as yet another voting irregularity to, after the fact, reflect on?


It was our own moral failure and not any accident of chance, that while preserving the appearance of the Republic we lost its reality. - Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator, writer (106-43 BC)


GOP candidate Howard is a hero for sure (4.00 / 1)
To date, I have seen reports only that the Kucinich campaign has paid for a partial recount, which is problematic when incremental discrepancies can look small but add up.  Because Mr. Howard has ordered a statewide recount, this will be perhaps the only comprehensive look at what happened in the primary (as close as we can tell, given incompletely answered questions on memory card security and chain of custody breaks).

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