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This question needs to be asked

by: joesaho

Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 23:09:12 PM EST


I've been wrestling with this diary for a day and a half... basically as Iraq has moved into the background, I've spent a bit less time thinking about it, but then I saw something on TV that I had to write about. Here goes...

The horserace narrative has swung back into full tweety ahead over the weekend. But more troubling to me than the Clinton/Obama back-and-forth (and let me say, pretty much all of the Democrats running for Prez are equally complicit in Iraq in my eyes) was what Clinton repeated over and over during her interview on Meet the Press on Sunday. Her rationalization for her vote on the 2002 AUMF was 1) it was her understanding that the vote was not for actual use of force but rather for the threat of force 2) she thought inspectors would go back in 3) she found out later Bush was deceiving Congress (and the American people) by going in unilaterally on an inflated / fabricated case for war. In this characterization, Bush is the one who bears the full responsibility for the war. Here's what she said on the transcript:

Well, I have said that obviously, I would never do again what George Bush did with that vote. He misused and abused the authority that was given to him, in my opinion. And we can't turn the clock back. I've taken responsibility for it.

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I, I would not have given President Bush the authority if I knew he would deliberately misuse and abuse it.

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It became clear in retrospect, Tim, once people started writing books and information came out of the administration, the president had no intention of letting the inspectors do their job. That's not what I was told by the Bush White House. That's not what we were told in constant briefings from high-level Bush administration officials. That's not what the president told the country in his speech in Cincinnati shortly before the vote. If you remember, he said this vote was the best chance to avoid some kind of confrontation.

Clinton is saying that Bush abused the power of war under false pretenses, and deliberately misled the country by lying about his intentions. Okay, I think we all can agree with that.

But this begs what should be a very obvious question, one that Russert did not ask.

joesaho :: This question needs to be asked
The follow-up question has to be:

Senator, you say very clearly that the President misled Congress about the case for war and his intentions to undertake pre-emptive military action. This is a very serious charge, that the president went beyond the bounds of the Constitution and acted illegally in sending our troops into an unnecessary war. Your colleague, Senator Feingold, attempted to bring a resolution for censure to the Senate, but no other Senators (including you or Senator Obama) supported it publicly. You have brought up leadership and experience during the campaign, and you just mentioned taking responsibility, so why did you not take the leadership role and pursue censure?

Now, I had been hoping for censure or impeachment to move forward, but had more or less grudgingly accepted that the 2006 congress wasn't particularly interested. But on Sunday, there I was watching Senator Clinton on MTP, using her talking points to make Bush into some sort of hybrid scapegoat/shield in order to deflect criticism of her conduct as a Senator during that time. It's rather disturbing to me personally, since I realized that Clinton is counting on my feelings about Bush and the war to cloud my judgment on her record. I was dismayed that she would implicitly push this frame that Congress, a co-equal branch of government, was powerless against a unitary executive who took control of the nation's war-making power. The power of Censure and Impeachment are right there in the Constitution. But I was more dismayed that Clinton was using Bush almost as a pinata type of distraction to wash her own hands of responsibility, in hopes that the electorate would turn to her to make everything OK. In light of the fact that nobody seems to be asking these questions of our elected leaders, it will probably wind up working.

To be fair, I've examined my perspective on the other leading candidates, Edwards and Obama, and I don't feel that much better about them in relation to Iraq. Obama is counting on the fact that he didn't have to vote in 2002 to say he would have voted against AUMF, and hoping progressives forget or are okay with the fact that he voted for all of the appropriations bills (as has Clinton). Edwards, early in the campaign, took the line that his vote for AUMF was wrong (you'll never hear Clinton say it in those terms) but he also did not take a leadership position when it counted, and was late to the party in calling (earlier in 2007) for Congress to demand a timeline. I have sided with Edwards mainly on economic / reform issues, but on Iraq there's not much of a clear difference for me. Cenk Uygur has a similar take:

I understand that leaders are supposed to lead. Yet, I have never seen Senator Clinton lead her fellow Democrats in a successful challenge of President Bush. Never. That's a pretty awful record.

Now, it would be one thing if George Bush was a popular president who was hard to defeat politically. But in fact, he is the opposite. He is the most deeply unpopular president of our lifetimes. And Hillary Clinton kept getting her ass kicked by that guy.

That's the real criticism that should be leveled against Hillary Clinton. Yet I have almost never seen anyone make this point on TV. Part of the reason for that, of course, is because her opponents, Barack Obama and John Edwards did no better in their time in the Senate. So, they are embarrassed into an awkward silence on the matter.

As Clinton says, we can't turn the clock back. That's why it's vitally important for Democrats in Congress - especially those who want to be our next president - to use censure (or impeachment) to make a clear mark in the record. As Senator Feingold states:

The history books should show that Congress formally condemned this President, and others in the administration who have so brazenly misled the American people and undercut the rule of law.

It might be late, but it's still important. I hope if anybody can get to a Clinton rally, if she's still taking audience questions someone will ask her this specific question. And ask Obama and Edwards - even though he's not in the Senate anymore - about censure too. Because it needs to be asked. And maybe if enough people keep asking, the press will notice and it will put more pressure on Congress to do something other than wait for 2009.

This diary was cross-posted at Open Left

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Not an answer, but a clarification... (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you that a censure resolution would be a good thing, and we should encourage Dodd, Obama, Clinton, and all our Congressmen to support one.

But it's hard for me to accept the fact that ALL Democratic candidates are equally complicit in this war. Some Democrats voted for it, spoke out in favor of it, and others didn't. After the war began -- and it was an underfunded, undermanned war -- Congress was asked to give the soldiers what they needed to survive. So, pretty much every Democratic Senator, including Russ Feingold and Chris Dodd and Obama and Clinton, voted to approve funding. And later the funds were approved as part of bills that also called for withdrawal timelines.  

But when you look back at the statements each candidate made, including Edwards, around the time of the vote to SEND TROOPS to Iraq, you learn a lot about their judgment and willingness to buck conventional wisdom. For instance, while Clinton and Edwards were claiming that Hussein posed an imminent nuclear threat and needed to be taken out, Obama was claiming just the opposite.

Obama said:

I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
Obama made that comment at a time when all the "pundits" and the media were pushing us toward war. Obama was trying to talk us out of one. Why? He clearly saw that it would be a disaster, and he said so:
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda.

To me, this demonstrates the kind of clear-headed thinking we need in a President.

What's more, Edwards was on the Senate Intelligence Committee and should have known better. Also, both Clinton and Edwards had a chance to force Bush to go to the UN for authorization by voting in favor of the Levin Amendment, and both chose NOT TO.

On the censure resolution, though, I'm with you 100 percent.


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Well, that statement does count for something. While we don't know if he would have voted that way were he in the Senate in '02, surrounded by advisors like the ones that urged Edwards to vote yes, I can take him at his word that his convictions were strong enough that he would have voted no.

What would really count today, though would be for Obama to take a risk and put the administration on the record by supporting Feingold. But he's running on a campaign of "new politics" and post-partisanship, which one would think would preclude anything the media would distort into "attack politics". Post-partisanship is a vague idea, but not vague enough that you can claim it while indicting a sitting president, even one as universally despised as Bush. The current media environment is still in the habit of shooting down those who go out on a limb, and would salivate at the possiblity of doing that with someone who claims the new politics mantle. Of course that's silly, as "new politics" and "holding Bush accountable" aren't mutually exclusive, but most politicians and the media will behave as if they are.

And I should also add Clinton and Edwards have the same motivations today as well with regards to the media. You'd think Edwards being out of the Senate would be a bit more free to go on the record with censure as a good idea and urge his old colleagues to support it, but I can't remember him saying anything recently and when I searched the blog section of his website, nothing directly related to the campaign came up.  

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffet


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Sort of like post-Civil War... (0.00 / 0)
You're right that it's hard to campaign on "bringing people together," and post-partisanship, while going all out to censure a sitting Republican President.

To me, it's similar to Obama's stance on Saddam Hussein -- a choice between active "regime change" (censure) that will rile up those who think it's unfair, or allowing Bush to "fall away into the dustbin of history."

Right now, it seems, Democrats other than Feingold are willing to allow Bush to fall away into the dustbin of history. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it.

It reminds me of Abe Lincoln's approach to the South in the Civil War era. Rather than punish the South, he wanted to bring them back into the Union:

Lincoln led the "moderates" regarding Reconstructionist policy, and was usually opposed by the Radical Republicans, under Thaddeus Stevens in the House and Charles Sumner and Benjamin Wade in the Senate (though he cooperated with these men on most other issues).

Determined to find a course that would reunite the nation and not alienate the South, Lincoln urged that speedy elections under generous terms be held throughout the war in areas behind Union lines. His Amnesty Proclamation of December 8, 1863, offered pardons to those who had not held a Confederate civil office, had not mistreated Union prisoners, and would sign an oath of allegiance.

But it's not like Lincoln let them off the hook on slavery. It was strictly banned, and any new state constitutions had to clearly abolish slavery forever. He just didn't rub their noses in defeat, at a time when he felt the nation needed to heal.  

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Very thoughtful exchange (0.00 / 0)
You guys have raised the bar.  I am grateful for the thoughtful discussion.

semi-related action (0.00 / 0)
I got this email from the American Freedom Campaign in relation to the US Attorneys scandal Not the line about future administrations - this is what it's really about. It's not censure, but it is about Bush administration accountability:

Are you ready to see Congress punish the Bush administration for abusing its executive power? Are you willing to take two minutes to encourage your U.S. representative to stand up for the institution -- and the country -- he or she was elected to defend? If so, read on and follow one of the links below to take action.

As you probably know by now, one of the primary goals of the American Freedom Campaign is to restore the federal government's system of checks and balances, which has been dangerously eroded over the past seven years. For this reason, we have taken the lead in pushing Congress, especially the U.S. House of Representatives, to bring contempt charges against White House officials who defied congressional subpoenas to testify about the U.S. Attorneys scandal. Well, it seems like our calls may finally have been answered.

Today, the Washington Post reported that the House is "likely" to vote on contempt resolutions in the next "couple of weeks."[1] This could be the end of a nearly six-month delay by Democratic leaders.

We are asking everyone who has not already sent an email about contempt to his or her representative to do so immediately. Even if you did send an email previously, feel free to send another one today. It would be good for all representatives to receive a wave of emails calling for contempt at this critical time.  Along those lines, please spread the word about this important congressional action by forwarding this email or by using our "tell a friend" option after sending an email to Congress.

Click on the following link to send a message to your representative:

http://salsa.democracyinaction...

The purpose of the contempt-of-Congress resolution is to officially issue charges against White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers for refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas.

It was way back on July 12 of last year when Bolten and Miers defied Congress and refused to show up at a hearing held to investigate the firings of nine U.S. Attorneys in 2006.  This was not a situation where they appeared at the hearing and refused to answer certain questions.  They did not offer some testimony and assert executive privilege on a handful of subjects.  They just completely blew off the subpoenas issued by Congress -- a co-equal branch of government with oversight powers -- as if they had been sent an informal invitation to a Democratic National Committee picnic.

Tell your representative it is time for the people's Congress to take a stand against an executive branch that acts as if it is accountable to no one.  It must do so by issuing these contempt charges.  If it does not, the next administration -- whether it is led by a Republican or a Democrat -- will be emboldened to take even more drastic steps in furtherance of an all-powerful and tyrannical executive branch.

Send a message by clicking on the following link:

http://salsa.democracyinaction...

Thanks so much for taking action to defend our constitutionally-established system of government.

Steve

Steve Fox
Campaign Director
American Freedom Campaign

[1] House Democrats Target Bolten, Miers, Washington Post, January 14, 2008.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...



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