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Democrats Bury Heads Deeper Into Sand - Incredibly Depressing

by: Neal Fink

Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 09:24:36 AM EST


(Amen! - promoted by ctblogger)

Several years ago, many of us in Connecticut started to see Joe Lieberman for who he really is, and isn't. When Ned Lamont joined the cause (with his warchest and devoted talent like Tom Swan) we were able to bring the message of truth about Joe to a national audience. At first we were derided as lefty wingnuts, taking out our hatred of G.W. Bush and the Iraq War on his innocent friend, Joe Lieberman - who other than his stance on the war, we were told, was supposedly still a good Democrat. Lamont and his supporters were opposed by many many Democrats in CT and nationally, including Presidential candidates Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton (and her husband.)

With time, persistence, and $20 million of Neds cash, the message finally got through to enough CT Dems that we voted Joe out of the party in August 2006. You would have thought this would have been enough to convince the national leadership that Joe was no longer one of us, and it was time for them to support the new guy - and that it was about more than "just the war."

Immediately after the primary, our DC bigwigs were supposed to convince Joe to drop his independent bid and retire gracefully. When Joe protested, they immediately backed off, unwilling to put any force behind their request (like threatening to take away his committee positions.) The fact is, the very idea of Ned Lamont was a threat to the whole lot of them. If we could shove a longtime incumbent and former VP candidate out the door, any one of them could be next. So, a few feigned support for the actual Democratic candidate, while secretly hoping for a CT for Lieberman victory.

The November election just emboldened Joe with his newfound independence, and he returned to DC even more determined to throw fellow Dems under the bus. Yet still, our leadership refused to wake up and smell the coffee.

There's more under the fold

Neal Fink :: Democrats Bury Heads Deeper Into Sand - Incredibly Depressing
Finally, I thought, this week's endorsement of a Republican by Lieberman would be the final act needed to get even the most stubborn Dems to admit that Joe Lieberman had completely left the reservation, and is truly an Independent Democrat In Name Only. Well, looks like I was fooled once again because I don't hear any of them speaking out against Joe. In fact, just the opposite. They write it off, decaring Joe always has done his own thing... but he's still one of us.

When will these people start to understand that being a member of a party actual means something? It's not just about your seating assignment at work. Being a Democrat stands for a set of beliefs and priorities. When someone not only stops upholding these tenets himself, but actually lends public support to a Presidential candidate that works wholeheartedly against the values that we hold so dear, it's time to part ways.

After working so hard to successfully convince so many that they need to reevaluate their feelings about Joe Lieberman, the failure of our leadership to respond appropriately feels like a punch in the gut. I am literally sick and feeling incredibly depressed about this situation. It's just another reminder that too many view their leadership positions as a great, high paying job, that they own with accountability to no one.

Like most of you. every day I receive emails and letters asking me to support a Democrat for 2008. Some of these are from candidates and others from groups representing the party as a whole. They all have the same message: taking back the White House is the absolute highest priority for our party and the future of our country. But, the complete failure of the people authoring these appeals to speak out or reprimand Joe Lieberman sends a very clear message from the Party Powerful to people like me - "we want your money and your vote, but please keep your opinions to yourself."

Until we can recruit dozens of Ned Lamonts to force primaries against incumbent Democrats across the nation, our party will soon become unrecognizable. A shadow of its former self that represents some wishy washy middleground, and stands for nothing.  

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The "only his hairdresser knows for sure tactic" - Joe's fave (4.00 / 1)
"Is he?  Or isn't he?  Only his hairdresser knows for sure."  Voters of a certain age will remember this ad line for Clairol, intended to reassure "bottle blondes".

Well, Joe is the bottle blonde of the political scene, and he played it to the hilt in 2006 in CT.  

Does the "he is/no he isn't a Dem" dialogue play nicely into the plan to attract unaffiliateds (77 per cent of voters in NH) to vote for McCain?  McCain won in the past in NH by attracting the votes of unaffiliated voters who otherwise would have voted in the Dem primary.

Specifically, when Nancy DiNardo says "Oh, Joe's really a Dem, " who is she really helping?



Democratic party rotten to the core (4.00 / 2)
Except for a small handful of amazing Democratic Senators, the Democratic party, on the national level, is rotten to the core. And yes, I think it's important to "recruit dozens of Ned Lamonts to force primaries against incumbent Democrats across the nation".

This morning, I watched the following clip of Ron Paul on CNN in the wake of his blockbuster fundraiser results over the weekend:

Listen to what he says about our interventionalist foreign policy in the Middle East (it's at around the 4:40 minute mark towards the end of the clip).

Why can't ANY leading Democratic presidential candidate say the SAME thing? Why is it that Republican Ron Paul is articulating the antiwar statement that ought to be the trademark of every leading Democrat? What a disgusting shame that none of the leading Democratic candidates have the courage to articulate the REAL causes of terrorism and why our imperialist foreign policy increases the threat of foreign policy exponentially!

As I said earlier, I'm voting for Kucinich because his values most closely reflect my own. At the same time, I'm "realistic" enough to realize that he won't win the nomination and that the winner will likely be Hillary, Obama, or Edwards. I hope that Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination--because if he does, it will force Hillary, Obama, and Edwards to shift leftward on foreign policy.

It will serve as an important lesson to them.

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


GOP Hopeful (0.00 / 0)
I want Huckabee. Hell the Democrats could run ANY of their candidates against him and win.

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
electrealdemocrats.com Online since 3/07 -- TimetogoJoe.com Online s


[ Parent ]
Huckabee (0.00 / 0)
So I guess you think Americans should have to choose between two pro-war candidates. Huckabee vs. Barack "I am willing to invade Pakistan" Obama or Hillary "I voted for the war continue, support the occupation, and propagate the Big Lie that Iran is a Threat to the United States" Clinton or John "I also propagate the Big Lie that Iran is a threat to the United States" Edwards. Not only that, all three of these people support the brutal illegal occupation of Palestine--a factor which former 9/11 Commissioners admitted was one of the root causes of 9/11.

As for Huckabee, I wouldn't be so quick to judge that any Democratic candidate could beat him. He has charisma and unlike the other Republicans, at least talks about wanting to help the poor. People aren't necessarily going to vote against him because he's a creationist.  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


[ Parent ]
Looking at Huckabee through a CT lens (4.00 / 1)
It is pretty easy for us in the northeast to dismiss bible thumpers like Huckabee, but look at Bush.  He is a lot more unlikable, not as intelligent, let alone articulate, and holds the same basic beliefs and won* twice, thanks to fellow bible thumpers in the south and midwest.  I wouldn't write him too quickly just because we dismiss creationism.

[ Parent ]
Huckabee - the other guy from Hope (0.00 / 0)
Huckabee has played the "little guy" populism note from time to time. Even if his administration would be more or less a repeat of Bush in terms of economic policy, don't put it past him to try to claim the mantle of outsider and advocate for kitchen table and small business isues in a general election - especially against Clinton.  

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffet

[ Parent ]
Ditto, That (0.00 / 0)
If we're going to put our eggs in the basket of a Republican, it should be the one most palatable on the off chance that he wins. In the past, the strategy of support the guy on the other side that will be easy to beat hasn't worked too well. The Democrats were praying that Reagan would be the nominee, and we all thought Bush #2 was an unelectable moron. From the other side, the Republicans loved Clinton - until he won, of course. Now they like Hillary because the Republicans believe she would galvanize Republican voters. Yet, Hillary still beats every Republican in the national polls.

If we get stuck with a Republican for another four years, the only one more frightening than Huckabee is Rudy G. The jury is still out on which of the others is the least toxic.  


[ Parent ]
Electability... (0.00 / 0)

While Hillary Clinton may lead in polls against Republicans, it is by very slight margins. I just saw a poll that had John Edwards beating every Republican by substantial numbers. His political skills are tremendous and I believe he represents the Democrats best chance to win in 2008.

 Some polls show Clintons' unfavorable rating at 48%. Rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, that means that an inordinately large block of voters will be unmovable in their rejection of her. The only thing that I can see to account for her big lead in national polls among Democrats is inertia. Bill and Hillary Clintons' time has come and gone. In an election cycle that gives the Democrats a strong edge,(if they choose correctly), nominating Clinton guarantees another extremly close election...and she could punt it...  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a


[ Parent ]
Romney is pretty toxic. (0.00 / 0)
And, I trust him the least. His position on the issues changes with whatever electorate he is pandering to for votes (Massachusetts vs. Red State America). Somehow, I don't know which is the worse thing to fight. The devil that you know vs. the devil that you don't know.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.

[ Parent ]
Rudy G. vs Romney (0.00 / 0)
It's hard for me to decide whether Guiliani or Romney is the scarier Republican candidate. Romney makes no apologies for the torture at Guantanamo and has even proposed doubling the size of that concentration camp. On the other hand, Guiliani feels the same way about Guantanamo and on top of that, his closest advisors include Norman Podoretz--one of the most fanatical neocons bent on war with Iran.

So I would have to see that Guiliani is a bit more scary that Romney--although it's pretty close. I have to say, though, part of me asks myself, "How bad can Romney really BE if the people of Massachussetts elected him to be their governor? Can the governor of such an uber-liberal state really be such a right-wing fanatic? " It seems that way--although I have to wonder...what the fuck where the people of Massachussetts thinking when they elected this nutjob? I don't know...maybe people look at Lieberman and ask the same question about the people of CT.

I think a Ron Paul victory in the Republican primaries is the only thing that has the potential to shame the Democratic party into adopting a real anti-war position.

 

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


[ Parent ]
Podoretz was on the Brian Lehrer show today (0.00 / 0)
and he is one scary and out of touch mofo.


[ Parent ]
The Scariest Republican (0.00 / 0)
A President Rudy would make GW Bush's abuse of power and insane secrecy seem petty by comparison. His NY tough guy attitude would likely alienate other world leaders even more than the current brand of Cowboy Diplomacy.

As for Romney, what many ridicule as flip-flopping, I see as his most appealing trait. His "old" positions are likely his true point of view or he wouldn't have been successful in liberal Mass. Like most politicians, he'll do or say whatever he deems necessary to get elected. But, once in office, this type of person usually reverts back to their more heartfelt beliefs. Nonetheless, I'm no fan of Mr. Romney.  


[ Parent ]
You convinced me (0.00 / 0)
After reading your comment, I also conclude that Guiliani is the scariest Republican. I just can't believe a cross-dressing, twice-divorced, former gay rights advocate and Catholic like Guiliani was able to get Pat Robertson's nod, though. I thought Robertson was much more discriminatory.  

Guiliani is such an asshole--even his own daughter supports Obama.


"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


[ Parent ]
Not only is Rudy scary (4.00 / 1)
he's incredibly corrupt.

There's a great article about his business dealings in this month's Vanity Fair (I feel I must add the Playboy disclaimer here, "I only read it for the articles").

After reading it, you'll see that he's almost Cheney-esque in his ability to milk his business dealings through politics.


[ Parent ]
If You're Uncomfortable with the Smut of Vanity Fair (0.00 / 0)
This week's Time Magazine has some nice tidbits about Rudy's illicit business activity. His consulting company has made a tidy profit from 9/11. And his law firm has quite a few unsavory clients. Can't seem to find it online, so you'll have to pick up the print rag.

Silly question, but are there articles in Playboy? I never noticed.


[ Parent ]
did you hear Paul's comment about getting rid of the Dept. of Education? (0.00 / 0)
At a time when we should be investing more in education, not less, Ron Paul wants the federal government to stop supporting public education.  He wants to roll back FDR's policies that helped us build a strong middle class. The guy is nuts.

Yes, Paul makes a good point about getting out of the Middle East, but I didn't hear him say anything about ending support for Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, and support for oppressive regimes in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. Where does he stand there? Also, are we willing to sacrifice the American middle class for a Ron Paul promise of a better foreign policy? I would need more than promises from a ultra-right-winger like Paul to make that leap.  We will have to exit the Middle East soon enough -- we can't afford to stay there -- but the bigger issue is to change our overall foreign policy and to stop supporting oppressive governments.

I know that Obama has said things like supporting Israel is our No. 1 priority in the Middle East, and I disagree. Supporting humanitarian governments should be No. 1. But I have hope that by talking directly to leaders of Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, and moderates in Israel, he will have a more even-handed foreign policy. The other candidates, in my opinion, have shown that they support more aggressive foreign policies than he does.

 


[ Parent ]
Ron Paul, Dept of education, and other issues (0.00 / 0)
The Dept of Education was created in 1980 and, while I would not like to see it go, I think we survived just fine without it. Education is primarily funded by property taxes anyway and having education put in the hands of state and local governments does not seem as offensive to me as continuing our interventionalist foreign policy. So yes, as much as I do not want to see the Dept of Education go, if I had to choose between eliminating it and funding a war machine that slaughters hundreds of thousands of people around the world, I would say adios to the Dept of Education.

Aside from the Dept of Education, Ron Paul generally does not support federal funding on social programs (which is why I would not change my party affiliation to vote for him in the primary)--but he is realistic enough to recognize that he can't do away with Medicare and Social Security and he has pretty much acknowledged that. Thus, I think with a Democratic Congress, he would be pretty much unable to implement the more radical parts of his domestic agenda.

Regarding the Israeli occupation and support for oppressive regimes, you can read this article in which Ron Paul clearly favors ending military aid to Israel AND corrupt Arab states. Paul writes:

We conveniently forget, however, that American tax dollars militarized the entire region in the first place. We give Israel about $3 billion each year, but we also give Egypt $2 billion. Most other Middle East countries get money too, some of which ends up in the hands of Palestinian terrorists. Both sides have far more military weapons as a result. Talk about adding fuel to the fire! Our foolish and unconstitutional foreign aid has produced more violence, not less.

Congress and each successive administration pledge their political, financial, and military support for Israel. Yet while we call ourselves a strong ally of the Israeli people, we send billions in foreign aid every year to some Muslim states that many Israelis regard as enemies. From the Israeli point of view, many of the same Islamic nations we fund with our tax dollars want to destroy the Jewish state. Many average Israelis and American Jews see America as hypocritically hedging its bets.

This illustrates perfectly the inherent problem with foreign aid: once we give money to one country, we have to give it to all the rest or risk making enemies. This is especially true in the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, where our financial support for one side is seen as an act of aggression by the other. Just as our money never makes Israel secure, it doesn't buy us any true friends elsewhere in the region. On the contrary, many Muslims hate the United States despite the billions we give to their governments.

Why can't any leading "antiwar" Democratic come out and say the same thing?

Read this article on Barack Obama--it convince me that he is essentially a fraud.

what does Obama do? He does Romney one better. He breaks down the numbers: "We should expand our ground forces by adding 65,000 soldiers to the army and 27,000 marines." He restates the doctrine of using the military for nation-building: "We must also consider using military force in circumstances beyond self-defense in order to provide for the common security that underpins global stability - to support friends, participate in stability and reconstruction operations, or confront mass atrocities." And he restates Bush's doctrine of pre-emption, as in the case of Iran if it becomes necessary because "It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy" (because it's not dangerous to have them in the hands of a dictatorship like Pakistan? Or in the hands of the only nation that has used them?) Henry Kissinger must be on Obama's speed-dial.

As for the three "leading Democrats", Hillary seems the most hawkish, Edwards the least hawkish, and Obama somewhere in between. In fact, if you read this,  you will see that Hillary is a leading recipient of contributions from the weapons industry--and the only candidate who gets more money from the weapons industry is our good friend, Chris "Cluster bomb" Dodd.  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


[ Parent ]
CFL is thinking of (0.00 / 0)
doing an expulsion hearing on him. Prepare yourselves - and get those ass-kicking boots on.


OMG! OMG! (0.00 / 0)
Promise you'll invite me to THAT!!!


[ Parent ]
Don't Bother (0.00 / 0)
He'll just start another party next go around. Maybe he can join the Iowa for Dodd party...(just kidding - don't shoot me.)

[ Parent ]
Should the party honchos attack Joe? (0.00 / 0)
After all, he IS supporting a Republican.  

If the Democratic Party brass attacks Joe, and he decides to caucus elsewhere, would it be worth it for the Dems?  Is sticking it to Joe worth giving up control of the US Senate?  

Complain all you want, but he won the election in 11/06.  Until the Dems win another Senate seat, Joe can do what he wants.  Anyone who argues that he should be punished for his actions is asking for the Dems to slit their own throats.

Instead of attacking other Dems, how about limiting the attacks to Joe, and Republicans who are vulnerable in 2008?  How about working for a real majority in the US Senate without Joe?

Or should we just go on attacking ourselves so that we're weaker in the next election?


You're mistaken (4.00 / 1)
Under an agreement between the republican and democratic leadership no change in control of the Senate will occur regardless of what Lieberman does. Once he signed on with the Democrats that was it for the duration of this Congress.

[ Parent ]
I didn't know that..thanks. (0.00 / 0)
But I still think it more worthwhile to target Republicans than ourselves...and then re-examine this issue on November 5, 2008.

[ Parent ]
Lieberman is a Special Case that Must be Targeted the same as Republicans (4.00 / 3)
The point with Lieberman is that he's not one of ourselves. He stopped being a Democrat when he became George Bush's staunch defender. He stopped being a Democrat when he refused to abide by the results of last year's Senate primary. He stopped being a Democrat when he began calling for another unjustified war, this time with Iran. And, if there was any doubt left, Lieberman stopped being a Democrat when he endorsed a Republican for the White House.

It's important that the media, and the public at large, recognize that Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat and that he doesn't represent the views of our party. If we allow Joe to retain his Democratic credentials, other Democrats may follow his lead thinking that John McCain must represent the values of our party.

Perhaps the point is best made with a story to which Mr. Lieberman might relate:

A very religious Jewish man had business dealings that required him to attend meetings at non-kosher restaurants. He inquired of his rabbi whether it was appropriate to wear his yarmulke (Jewish head covering) when visiting these establishments. Although Jewish law dictates that men should always wear their yarmulke, the rabbi agreed that this was an unusual case. He declared that in this particular situation, the man should remove his head covering. The rabbi's concern was that another Jew, passing by the restaurant and seeing a man inside with a yarmulke, might assume that the restaurant must be kosher. To avoid the chance of another Jew eating non-kosher food in error, the first Jew must make every effort to mitigate the risk.

We can't let Lieberman's lapses in judgment confuse good Democrats into supporting McCain's non-kosher brand of politics.  


[ Parent ]
more "Ned Lamonts" needed (0.00 / 0)
I liked the last part of this post, saying that if we
get more "Ned Lamont" types to primary incumbent Dems
who are not as progressive....
And of course, to top it off w/ a "cherry",  I am
NOT happy that Lieberman is endorsing McCain...sheesh!

"Waiting....waiting on the world to change"  --John Mayer

Nancy DiNardo's Statement (4.00 / 3)
Nancy DiNardo made an attempt to express her disapproval of Joe's endorsement with this statement, but by framing his actions as some kind of aberration rather than a pattern, it doesn't come remotely close to representing the true extent of Lieberman's betrayal of Democrats.

She says:

I am surprised and disappointed by Senator Lieberman's choice to support Senator McCain in the 2008 election for President of the United States. For many years, I have held Senator Lieberman's work and his views as a member of the Connecticut Democratic Party in high esteem, but I consider this choice to be not only a departure from his past practice, but also a departure from the principles that we as a Party hold dear.

Certainly, the Democratic electorate will not support Senator McCain's stance on important issues such as healthcare for everyone, gun control and women's right to choose. Although I recognize the right of every individual to endorse candidates of their choosing during any election ...  Senator McCain's policy positions and the fact that we have many bright and experienced Democrats vying for our Democratic Party nomination make Senator Lieberman's choice particularly baffling.

I continue to believe that our own Senator Dodd best represents the views of our citizenry and provides our greatest hope for addressing the needs of our country, both at home and abroad. I am confident that Senator Lieberman's endorsement will not impact the 2008 Presidential race, and that our next President will be a Democrat.

First of all, anyone who's been paying attention to CT politics, knows that this endorsement absolutely falls in line with his "past practice." Joe's endorsements of Milford Republican Jim Richetelli and Republican Senator Susan Collins are just two examples.

Based on these Republican endorsements, I find it hard to believe that she was "baffled" by the McCain endorsement.  

Finally, to suggest that Lieberman will not have an impact on the 2008 presidential race may be true, but it misses the larger point. Along with this endorsement, Lieberman trashed the Democratic Party with biting public statements -- statements to which DiNardo has yet to reply.  


 
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