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Moving the Debate Forward (Again) on Iraq

by: Chris Murphy

Thu Nov 15, 2007 at 18:43:03 PM EST


(Please welcome Rep. Chris Murphy to My Left Nutmeg! - promoted by tparty)

Last night, the House voted (again) to withdraw our troops from Iraq by a date certain, with the redeployment mandated to begin in 30 days.  I supported it, as did the entire (yes, even Shays...) CT delegation.  The bill passed by a comfortable, but slim, margin, and it now heads to the Senate where the Republicans have once again promised to filibuster the bill to prevent a vote on the floor.

I came to Washington to end the war in Iraq.  10 months after being sworn in, no one is more frustrated than I that we have not been able to end our disastrous intervention in Iraq.  But I remain convinced that no matter the obstinance of the House Republicans, the Senate, and the President, we should continue to press our case.  The withdrawal bill we passed last night may not become law, but it moves the debate forward, and makes it clear, once again, that Democrats stand against this war, and Republicans continue to support blank check after blank check for this President.

My position, as many of you know, is clear.  I will not support another dime for this war that isn't connected to the redeployment of our forces.  Simple as that.  But that doesn't mean that I approach a vote like last night's with enthusiasm.  Even with strict withdrawal conditions, it still pains me to vote for additional funding.  So yesterday morning, as our Democratic Caucus convened to debate the bill, I watched Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, and Lynn Woolsey approach the microphone.  Anyone who closely follows the Congressional debate on the war knows that these three courageous women have led the anti-war movement in Washington since the war's deceitful inception.  I was proud to join them earlier this year as a signer of a letter (commonly referred to as the "Woolsey Letter") to the President expressing the position of anti-war legislators who support no additional funding without withdrawal conditions attached.  So in these caucuses, I listen to the opinions of Woolsey, Lee, and Waters very carefully.  Wednesday morning, one by one, these three anti-war leaders made the case that the withdrawal bill before the House that day was our best opportunity to continue to keep the pressure on congressional Republicans (and some conservative Democrats) to join us in our attempts to end this war.  They made a passionate case for the bill, and I concurred.  Several Democrats argued from the opposite side, including Brian Baird from Washington, who made the case that Democrats should adopt a more "moderate" position than immediate withdrawal.  For me, there is no moderation on this issue.  We should have never gone into Iraq in the first place, and every day we stay makes the situation worse, and makes our country less safe.  I listened to Baird and the others make a case against the bill - a case that fell largely on deaf ears.

So I'm proud of the bill we passed last night.  And I'm equally frustrated that it likely won't become law.  But I still think it's important for the Senate's impotence to be exposed, and for the President to continue to be forced to go further and further out on a limb for his failed war policy. 

For me, at this point, the only alternative is to deny the President any more funding for war.  That's why I voted against the war funding supplement legislation over the summer, and that's why I'll continue to advocate (in private caucuses and in public forums) that our best course now is to tell the President "no more".  It's a blunt, but necessary, tool.

Chris Murphy :: Moving the Debate Forward (Again) on Iraq
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Thanks for engaging online (0.00 / 0)
Any insight as to why Shays voted with Democrats on this bill?

thanks for the question, cgg (4.00 / 1)
I obviously can't speak for Shays, but a few months ago he did come out and say publicly that he supported a 12/08 withdrawal date, which is contained in this bill.  I saw him briefly today, but didn't have the opportunity to ask, but I'm as interested as you as to his reasoning behind his vote.  I'll make sure to ask next time I see him!

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Thanks for taking the time to join us, Chris (0.00 / 0)
Blue Dogs aside, I'm wondering why more of your colleagues haven't signed on to Rep. Barbara Lee's pledge to link any future funding to withdrawal. What are your thoughts on the reasons for their hesitation?

And what is the post-veto game plan this time, and/or what do you think it should be?


barbara lee (4.00 / 1)
Again, I'm not in a great position to speak for other members.  Over 90 members have signed onto the Woolsey/Lee letter, so it's a significant portion of the caucus.  And some of those that haven't signed on are committed anti-war Dems, like Larson, DeLauro, and Courtney.  In general, I think it's a mistake to assume that people that don't sign on to a letter, or don't cosponsor a bill, are automatically against the positions espoused in that letter or bill.  There are plenty of great bills that I haven't cosponsored, but that doesn't mean I don't support the ideas contained in them. 

As for me, I signed onto the Woolsey/Lee letter because I think it's time to draw some hard, clear lines in the sand with the President, and that letter is the best vehicle to put forward that position.


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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I am really interested in what the game plan is going into next year. The strategy of peeling off Republicans has obviously been quite ineffective this year.

Again, understanding that you will personally vote against any more funding, will the majority have the courage to send Bush the same bill again and pin the blame for vetoing troop funding on him? If not, what is the strategy?


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good question (4.00 / 1)
That's the $16,000 question, tparty.  If I knew what the right strategy was, I'd have a much nicer office than I've got now.

You've basically got it right.  Though I know there are more than 90 members (those that signed the Lee/Woolsey letter) who will hold the line on funding, I don't think it s a majority right now.  Remember, there are all sorts of conservative Democrats who truly do not believe their districts support stopping the funding for the war.  I can argue with them until I'm blue in the face, but these guys truly believe that they are representing their districts when they support a withdrawal timetable but don't support a denial of funding not tied to withdrawal.

Obviously, that puts us (and Pelosi) in a bind.  It's hard for her to personally hold up a funding bill if she knows the majority of the House doesn't support that position.

This is a long way of saying there is no single good strategy going forward.  You're right that peeling off Republicans hasn't worked like we'd hoped, so the best course probably is to go the other way and peel off conservative Dems to withhold funding that isn't tied to withdrawal.


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New voting machines (0.00 / 0)
Most towns in CT used the new optical scan machines for the first time this year.  Did you vote in your home district this year (rather than absentee).  What did you think of the new machines?

sorry... (0.00 / 0)
I was in DC, so I had to vote by absentee.  But I think I may have filled out the same form, even though I didn't get to feed it into the machine.

But just to use this question to make a plug for my local Dems - though my vote didn't make the difference, the Dems held the Cheshire Council for the first time ever!


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other topics besides Iraq? (4.00 / 1)
Welcome, Chris! Thanks for liveblogging with us -- and for your strong stance on Iraq. I have a two questions about some other issues:

1. Public financing of elections and the Fair Elections Now Act -- how do you see that progressing through Congress.

2. How can we start talking about tough issues like illegal immigration without causing hysteria?


panacea (4.00 / 2)
I believe that public financing of Congressional elections is as close to cure-all for what ills government as exists today.  Put simply, private money is killing government.  It corrupts power, it distracts from issues, and it prevents good people from running for office.  One of the first bills I introduced in the CT legislature was to publicly fund state elections, and I was thrilled to see it passed in my last term.  That being said, we're not there yet here in Washington.  But have faith!  With every new class that comes to Congress, there is a greater recognition of the perils of our current broken process.  A group of freshmen (me included) have been meeting to try to work on a new model for public financing that might have more legs.  I don't know if we'll get there, but I'm actively engaged in the issue here.

As for immigration, this could take me an entire day to respond appropriately.  In short though, we can't stop Republicans from demagoging on this issue, but Dems shouldn't retreat and start spouting a Republican-lite message.  This is a complicated issue, and Dems do a great disservice to the issue if we start sounding too much like the No Nothings.


[ Parent ]
Thanks for your comments here (4.00 / 1)
... educating voters about these issues will make it easier to get good legislation passed, so hopefully that's how blogs like this one and national ones can help.

[ Parent ]
It's now been a year (4.00 / 1)
What are your impressions after one year in Congress? Feel free to be as specific or as vague as you want to be.

hmmmm... (4.00 / 3)
This is, at the same time, the most inspirational and frustrating job I've ever had.  I came here with eyes wide open about the process, but it does get tough sometimes to watch how hard it is to put a good idea into action.  At the same time, I'm pretty proud to have voted for, and passed, an increase in the miminum wage, a great college aid bill, vets funding, and a host of other good domestic bills that don't get enough attention.

On a personal note, the lifestyle definitely takes some getting used to.  Living your life in two places, and having absolutely NO private, personal life, is hard, especially for a guy who had to plan (or help a little) a wedding this summer.

But I love the job, even if I feel like I'm ramming my head against a wall (repeatedly) on some days.


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So that is what happened... (0.00 / 0)
But I love the job, even if I feel like I'm ramming my head against a wall (repeatedly) on some days.

...to Chris Shays.

DON'T! let this happen to you!


[ Parent ]
So that is what happened... (0.00 / 0)
But I love the job, even if I feel like I'm ramming my head against a wall (repeatedly) on some days.

...to Chris Shays.

DON'T! let this happen to you!


[ Parent ]
Hi Rep. Murphy (4.00 / 1)
A question about the presidential primary process: Susan Bysiewicz is going to be in DC soon to work on revamping the way primaries are done, so we can avoid the mess Are there any specific changes to the system that you would back?

I was also wondering if you had any thoughts on Pakistan. What can the US do?


primaries (4.00 / 1)
There are a few good ideas on how to revamp the process.  It seems pretty clear to me that Congress has to step in here and make some sense of this system.  This isn't just about intra-party business anymore.  If the primary season continues to move backward, it compromises our ability to get anything constructive done in Washington during the two years before a Presidential election.  Plans that rotate the "first in the nation" status appear to make the most sense, but I'll be eager to sit down with people who know much more about this issue than me (read: Bysiewicz) and hear from them.

Pakistan needs to be getting much more attention from this Congress and this Administration, and I fear that this President's absolute obsession with Iraq means that an opportunity may slip through our fingers.  Amidst this crisis is an opportunity to move Pakistan's government away from a military dictatorship and toward true constitutional democracy.  The U.S. can help this transition by being more firm with Musharraf and more supportive of Bhutto, but Bush is so distracted by Iraq (and Iran) that he's missing the boat.


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Curious (4.00 / 1)
With the new PAYGO rules, how is the expanded war funding being justified? Is there something being traded away, or has a new funding stream been found to meet the $50B cost?

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

paygo (4.00 / 4)
I'm obsessive about putting all the war funding under the budget.  The fact is, no one is having to sacrifice for this war except the soldiers who fight it, the families they leave behind, and the working men and women in the U.S. who have seen their safety net gutted in order to fund it.  Paygo rules don't apply to emergency funding, but the fact is that this funding can't be considered "emergency" any longer.  You are absolutely right - paygo rules should apply to this bill and all other supplemental requests.

[ Parent ]
health care question, and mortgage lending (4.00 / 1)
Chris, would you say that your position on health care is closer to the Kucinich single-payer plan or the plans proposed by Edwards, Obama or Clinton. Whose plan do you think is strongest?

Also, thanks for working hard to revise the mortgage lending laws ... how's that effort coming along?


health care (4.00 / 3)
My favorite topic - health care!  Here's what worries me about a Clinton style plan (by this I mean the "new" Clinton style plan):  it potentially just adds on cost to an already bloated system.  A universal coverage system that simply requires individuals to purchase health care makes no use of the bulk purchasing benefits that make a single payer system (or the current Medicare system) so cost effective.  An "individual mandate" plan could work if individuals and businesses were able to buy into a federal system (like Medicare) that would inevitably be cheaper than any private options.  That's why I'm pushing to allow Medicare to run its own Part D plan - because by allowing Medicare to compete with private insurers' prescription plans, we will discover, once and for all, that Medicare is cheaper and more efficient than private insurance.

On the mortgage issue, we had a big victory today in the House.  We passed a big, tough Anti-Predatory Lending bill that included a bill that I introduced that will bar mortgage originators and brokers from steering borrowers into higher cost mortgages than they would otherwise afford.  This bill prohibits lenders from offering brokers extra fees for steering borrowers into higher interest rate loans.  I worked pretty hard on this provision over the past several months, and I'm proud that it made it into the final bill today.

Okay folks, I'm heading down to the floor, so this will have to be my sign off.  Thanks to MLN and tparty for setting this up, and to all of you for participating.

Chris


[ Parent ]
single payer bill (4.00 / 1)
In case you make it back here...

Thanks for your past support of single payer.  Will you or have you co-sponsored HR 676, the single payer bill?


[ Parent ]
Blackwater (0.00 / 0)
At an Oct. 5th hearing you questioned Erik Prince, the CEO of Blackwater, about how much of his business depended on federal contracts. What is your own opinion of the U.S. Government  hiring what amounts to be mercenaries for its' operations in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Bills that impact young people (0.00 / 0)
Congressman,

Thanks for being here tonight! 

This session has been huge for young people, specifically the college cost reduction act that President Bush signed recently.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on that bill and what other issues the Congress is working on that impact young people. 


college costs (4.00 / 1)
Fair warning - I'm about to have to go down to the floor for votes, so this might be my last post.

As one of those "young people" who are currently getting screwed by big student loan bills, I was thrilled that we passed the college aid bill, that represents the biggest infusion of college aid funding since the G.I. Bill, and does it simply by redistributing subsidies Congress used to give to banks and turning them into subsidies for students.  Good idea, huh?

In general, we need to be doing more to engage 20 and 30 somethings.  I'm part of the Speaker's "30 Something Working Group", and if you can't sleep one night, turn on CSPAN and you can often find me and handful of other young Dems on the floor trying to rally young people to the cause.

One good way politicans can get young people involved - stop dumbing down political rhetoric.  Kids get it when they're being fed poll-tested drivel - they've been seeing it from product marketers their entire life.  Politicans need to start talking about big ideas that take more than a 30 second soundbites to explain, and young people will be the first to respond because they'll be the first to recognize it as unique and real.

Good news, though - a new poll shows that young voters favor Dems over Republicans by a 57-27 margin (compared to 46-35 for all voters).


[ Parent ]
This really resonates with me (4.00 / 2)
THIS is what I have been trying to articulate about campaigns in general and the prez campaign in specific.

One good way politicans can get young people involved - stop dumbing down political rhetoric.  Kids get it when they're being fed poll-tested drivel - they've been seeing it from product marketers their entire life.  Politicans need to start talking about big ideas that take more than a 30 second soundbites to explain, and young people will be the first to respond because they'll be the first to recognize it as unique and real.

Chris is young.  He may not realize it, but this marketing rhetoric has been going on since at least the start of television, which would mean anyone born post WWII will "get it".  He may be talking from polls - don't know - but seems to me a lot of boomers would also fit his description as to what they want to hear and why.

Way too much trusting of consultants; way too little engaging with voters.


[ Parent ]
FYI (4.00 / 1)
Rep. Murphy had to leave for a vote.

Thanks again to Chris and his staff for the opportunity.


Thanks Chris Murphy (4.00 / 1)
and thanks tparty for arranging the live blog.

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