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Lieberman would put us in still another war

by: saramerica

Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 07:45:58 AM EDT


(Vituperation toxicity. - promoted by tparty)

Here's today's Greenwich Time column, and guess what! On Thursday it's supposedly also going to run in the Stamford Advocate, increasing Saramerica's readership to a circulation of 37,500. Woo hoo! Next stop...SYNDICATION! Well, maybe someday.....*sighs*
saramerica :: Lieberman would put us in still another war
"Cry 'Havoc'; And let slip the dogs of war."  from "Julius Caesar"

The dogs of war have been let slip once again, with Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman leading the cry of "Havoc." Last week, the Senate passed the Lieberman-Kyl amendment to the defense authorization bill. Fortunately, the two most egregious paragraphs, which called for the Senate "to support the prudent and calibrated use of all instruments of United States national power in Iraq, including diplomatic, economic, intelligence, and military instruments, in support of the policy described in paragraph 3 ("to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, its foreign facilitators ... and its indigenous Iraqi proxies"), which would have been seized upon by the neocons in the Bush administration as congressional assent to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," were removed from the final amendment.

Sen. Lieberman has made no secret of his lust for war with Iran. June 10 on CBS' "Face The Nation," he said: "I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq. And to me, that would include a strike ... over the border into Iran, where ... we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."

At the Senate hearings with Gen. David Petraeus on Sept. 11, Sen. Lieberman was practically begging for an excuse to engage the Iranians militarily. "Is it time to give you authority in pursuit of your mission in Iraq to pursue those Iranian Quds force operations in Iranian territory in order to protect America's troops in Iraq?" he asked.

Unfortunately for Joe, Gen. Petraeus didn't play along: "I think that ... the Multi-National Force Iraq should just focus on Iraq, and that any kinds of operations outside the borders of Iraq would rightly be overseen by the Central Command, the regional combatant command."

The prospect of a nuclear Iran doesn't make anyone happy. But with our economy already straining under the weight of the cost of the Iraq war (expected to run at $3 billion a week for 2008) and a military that is already under strain from repeated, lengthy deployments, I'm curious why Sen. Lieberman is so anxious to push us into another war.

Has he learned nothing from the Iraq debacle? Oh, wait -- he still thinks the war is going swimmingly. Now, at least. Right before last November's election, though, he seemed less sure: "None of us wants more war; certainly not me. ... I want to bring our troops home."

He wants to bring the troops home so badly he voted against the Webb-Hagel amendment to the defense bill, which would have required that active duty troops deployed abroad have the same period of time at home with their families. Yes, Mr. "Support the Troops" Lieberman voted against a bipartisan amendment that would have given much needed respite to our soldiers and their families.

Although the chickenhawks are banging the drums for military strikes on Iran, a retired Centcom commander, Gen. John Abizaid, said recently that if worse came to worse, the U.S. could live with a nuclear Iran. In remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Abizaid said: "We need to press the international community as hard as we possibly can and the Iranians to cease and desist on the development of a nuclear weapon." He added: "I believe nuclear deterrence will work with the Iranians. ... Iran is not a suicide nation. They may have some people in charge that don't appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon ... I believe that we shouldn't throw deterrence theory out the window because of unstable leaders."

Fortunately, there are still some sane people in the Senate, most notably Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., a former Marine with a son who recently returned from Iraq, who said during the floor debate on Lieberman-Kyl: "Those who regret their vote five years ago to authorize military action in Iraq should think hard before supporting this approach. Because, in my view, it has the same potential to do harm where many are seeking to do good."

A recent Research 2000 poll of Connecticut voters found that if they could vote again for U.S. Senate, Ned Lamont would win. Perhaps voters realize that instead of bringing the troops home, Sen. Lieberman is agitating for another military engagement.

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I'm honored (4.00 / 2)
to be considered part of the "vituperation toxicity" crowd, because if you translate the Lieber-speak that means the people who are actually trying to hold Joe to account.

I was at his debate with Ned Lamont in Stamford and he spent the first ten minutes whining about how Ned was running a negative campaign and then proceeded to let loose a boatload of "viteruperation toxicity" (and I use this in the genuine sense of the words) of his own, the sanctimonious hypocrite.

I was speaking with a psychologist about my (thankfully now OVER) marriage and she was saying how in relationships there is often an identified patient: that one person is defined as "the sick one" and it's all about trying to "fix" them. But the psychologist pointed out that it's usually the person who is saying the *other* person is sick that is the one with the real problems - and that's sure the case with Joe identifying us bloggers as the cause of all political incivility. Maybe he should take a look in the mirror. Or at his buddy Karl Rove.
Sheesh, the guy makes me sick with his hypocrisy.

Unfortunately due to word count I had to cut one of my favorite lines - how Lieberman's GOP co-sponsor was appropriately named "Kyl":-)



The doctor has confirmed (0.00 / 0)
that Joe is suffering from projection. And no, you're not crazy.

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Sarah exposes the absurdity of Greenwich Time's Love for Joe (4.00 / 1)

Let's recall what Greenwich Time wrote in an editorial about Lieberman a few short months ago:

Joseph Lieberman the person is more than a local political figure. He is a symbol. More than anyone else we can think of, he represents the best of our local traditions and values. That is quite a statement, not made lightly.

Really?  The "best of our local traditions and values"?  A guy who wants to get us into another senseless war?  A guy who used smear tactics against Ndd Lamont, a man who really did embody the best of our traditions and values? 

The absurdity of GT/Stamford Advocate's Lieberman love becomes more stark by the day, and with every editorial from Sarah Littman, whose logic is like a laser beam pointing to the truth.


"every editorial from Sarah Littman, whose logic is like a laser beam pointing to the truth." (4.00 / 1)
Sheesh. You make me sound WAY smarter than I actually am. But keep it coming, honey. I could do with some ego stroking after dealing with my ex's mishegas today!

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This kind of writing is really important! (4.00 / 1)
Considering how Joe Lieberman and his buddies Lindsay Graham, John McCain and all the other neocons are campaigning for war in Iran, it's important to expose these people as the extremists that they are. They really scare me.

Great job.


Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
BTW, I've been getting e-mails (and so has my editor) regarding my last column about Joe's attendance at the "Freedom Concert".

Apparently Joe's defenders say that he didn't actually attend the Freedom Concert because he had to be in Washington for a vote. One person who spoke to my editor said she'd had confirmation about this from Joe's office.

(Funny, when I rang Joe's office for comment the day of the concert, they never returned my call...)

I'm a little confused because this blog post from a collegue of Sean Hannity, makes me think that Lieberman *did* attend.

If he didn't actually attend my ed wants to me to put a one liner in my next column saying so. As I said to her, whether he did or not is a moot point IMHO, because he planned to attend and was on Fox saying he "looked forward" to attending. So the criticism of his questionable decision making still stands. I'd really like to get to the bottom of if he was there or not though. Any suggestions?

 


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Joe on Hannity, mid-August (0.00 / 0)
Either way, he really wanted to be there:

Hannity: "And I think we're going to see you on September 11th... I think, uh, if you don't have a vote, you will be with us..."

Lieberman: "If I don't have a vote I will be with you, and I can't wait."



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I know, that's my point (0.00 / 0)
but my detractors are decrying what I wrote on the basis that I shouldn't have criticized Joe if he didn't actually attend. Even if he REALLY WANTED to go.

Talk about trying to miss the point of the column.


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It appears he had a vote (0.00 / 0)
Here's one a about Mexican trucks that is listed as having taken place on 9/11 at 7 pm --Joe was shown as voting.  Not sure he could have made the concert that way.

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Interesting voting position (0.00 / 0)
So let me see if I've got this right..
Lieberman is firmly against domestic terrorism, but does not agree that truck traffic from Mexico (a potential and likely conduit) should  be restricted.
This guy is so "bipartisan", I don't know how he lives with himself.

[Sorry Ned, we did the best we could...]


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The man deserves a good 'sandbagging' (0.00 / 0)
Way, girl!!
We're with you!!!



With Lorenzo at my back (0.00 / 0)
I can take on the freakin' WORLD, baby!! :-) (even my Ex husband....)

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