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More Dishonesty from "Both Ways" Shays

by: thomashooker

Fri Jun 29, 2007 at 16:33:35 PM EDT


(Here's the link to the podcast of the Shays interview on NPR's "Where We Live" this morning. You may hear two familiar voices... - promoted by Maura)

The man is a disgrace.  It's as simple as that.  Sorry for getting angry, but Chris Shays is blatantly dishonest.  Here are some of the things he said on Connecticut public radio station WNPR's "Where We Live" program on Friday.

First, Shays dishonestly suggested that the Bush administration is largely implementing what he called the Iraqi Study Group's "three main recommendations," when the Bush administration is doing nothing of the sort.  Second, he falsely suggested that the ISG's "first recommendation" is, according to Shays, "that American troops shift from doing police work to doing military work...."  Huh?  The centerpiece of the ISG's recommendations was the withdrawal of American troops by the first quarter of 2008.  In fact, here's exactly what the ISG report says right in its Executive Summary: 

The most important questions about Iraq’s future are now the responsibility of Iraqis.  The United States must adjust its role in Iraq to encourage the Iraqi people to take control of their own destiny. 

The Iraqi government should accelerate assuming responsibility for Iraqi security by increasing the number and quality of Iraqi brigades.  While this process is underway, and to facilitate it, the United States should significantly increase the number of U.S. military personnel, including combat troops, imbedded with Iraqi army units.  As these actions proceed, U.S. combat forces could begin to move out of Iraq. 

The primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq should evolve to one of supporting the Iraqi army, which would take primary responsibility for combat operations.  By the first quarter of 2008, subject to unexpected developments in the security situation on the ground, all combat brigades not necessary for force protection should be out of Iraq.  At that time, U.S. combat forces in Iraq could be deployed only in units embedded with Iraqi forces, in rapid-reaction and special operations teams, and in training, equipping, advising, force protection, and search and rescue.  Intelligence and support efforts would continue.  A vital mission of those rapid-reaction and special operations forces would be to undertake strikes against al Qaeda in Iraq.

It is clear that the Iraqi government will need assistance from the United States for some time to come, especially in carrying out security responsibilities.  Yet the United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if the Iraqi government did not implement their planned changes.  The United States must not make an open-ended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq….

If the Iraqi government does not make substantial progress toward the achievement of milestones on national reconciliation, security, and governance, the United States should reduce its political, military, or economic assistance for the Iraqi government.

thomashooker :: More Dishonesty from "Both Ways" Shays
George Bush has stated categorically that he would not implement the ISG's  recommendation to withdraw combat forces by March, 2008.  When that key recommendation was embodied in the Democrats' supplemental spending bill, Chris "Both Ways" Shays voted against it.  It's bad enough for Shays to vote against the key recommendation of the ISG, which Shays proudly claims credit for having helped create.  But to pretend that the ISG didn't really call for American combat troops to be withdrawn is downright dishonest.  It's a shame that WNPR moderator John Dankosky either didn't know enough about the ISG's recommendations to call Shays on his blatant misrepresentation of the facts, or felt,  as host, that he had to be polite and not hold Shays' feet to the fire for lying on his show. 

And then Shays, who last August had called for a timeline for withdrawal and had stated that most of our troops could be withdrawn within 2007 (Washington Post, August 25, 2006- "Shays Urges Iraq Withdrawal", by Anushka Asthana) stated his real position on the Iraq War: 

"The American people simply do not have the will.  They do not have the long-term will to do what I think we need to do, and that is to be there (in  Iraq) for an extended period of time."  (Interview on WNPR's "Where We Live," June 29, 2007).
 

So there it is.  He doesn't believe in timelines, he doesn't believe that most of our troops can be withdrawn within 2007.  He believes that our young men and women should stay in Iraq to be killed and maimed in their tens of thousands "for an extended period of time."  Funny how the avowed pacifist and Vietnam-era conscientious objector now says that "the American people simply don't have the will" to continue on with another senseless war.  But CO Chris has the will!  You bet he does!  He has all the courage in the world now that his fanny isn't in the line of fire and his military-aged kid doesn't have to face a draft.  But, hey, it gets better.

For more than a year, when asked point blank at town hall meetings in his district whether he would have voted to invade Iraq if he knew then that Saddam had no WMD's, Shays repeatedly stated that he still would have voted to invade.  He simply would have offered other reasons, reasons which he never specified.  Yet on WNPR, "Both Ways" Shays flip-flopped once again.  Says Both Ways:

"Clearly I was wrong about weapons of mass destruction and going into Iraq.  So, if I could redo a vote, I would redo that vote.  I can't redo that vote.  We're there." (Interview on WNPR's "Where We Live," June 29, 2007)

So now Chris Shays, who has been Bush's biggest supporter for this entire senseless, bloody enterprise, now says his vote was a mistake.  But of course, he's not going to call for a withdrawal.  Just because the entire premise for this war is wrong doesn't mean our young people should stop bleeding.  In fact, even though it was a mistake, he believes that our troops should be there "for an extended period of time."  If only the American people had the same "will" as he does!

Sorry, but the man makes my blood boil.
 

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Shays and LIEberman - 2 Pees in a Pod (0.00 / 0)
The more you observe Chris Shays, the more you realize that there's really not much difference between him and Joe LIEberman. They've both shamelessly supported and enabled the worst of Bush's policies, lied repeatedly about their beliefs and actions in order to appear more moderate than they really are, and display a pattern of behavior that suggests they suffer the same sociopathology as Bush.

It's gotten to where I can't even bring myself to call their offices on any of the issues that we're asked to contact legislators about, no matter how strongly I feel about them, because neither of these 2 "represenatives" gives a damn what any of us think. Like Bush, they are blessed with unique knowledge and wisdom that allows them to know better than us on everything.

I really really detest these 2.

-Steve


John Dankosky is a weak, unprepared interviewer, and Shays is a liar (4.00 / 1)
Dankosky knew he was going to ask Chris Shays about the Iraq Study Group report, so you would think he would take the time to read it -- at least the 3-page summary.

If he read it, he would know that the Iraq Study Group Report specifically calls for a planned REDEPLOYMENT, MILESTONES and TIMELINES -- three things that Shays VOTED AGAINST this year in Congress -- after saying in November that he SUPPORTED THEM!

Shays says that Bush Administration followed the advice of the ISG Report, except on one point: "The only real area of difference," Shays said, "is whether there should be dialog with Iran."

Well, that's not even close to being true. The REAL "area of difference" is the 2008 TIMELINE and the MILESTONES. Do you think Dankosky mentioned any of this to Shays? NO. Dankosky lacks the journalistic talent to conduct an effective interview, which is why I find his show a waste of time.

Here's an exerpt from the Iraq Study Group Report:

The primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq should evolve to one of supporting the Iraqi army, which would take over primary responsibility for combat operations. By the first quarter of 2008, subject to unexpected developments in the security situation on the ground, all combat brigades not necessary for force protection could be out of Iraq.

Note to Shays and Dankosky: that boldface text was for you -- that's a timeline. The report continues...

At that time, U.S. combat forces in Iraq could be deployed only in units embedded with Iraqi forces, in rapid-reaction and special operations teams, and in training, equipping, advising, force protection, and search and rescue. Intelligence and support efforts would continue. A vital mission of those rapid reaction and special operations forces would be to undertake strikes against al Qaeda in Iraq.

.... the United States must make it clear to the Iraqi government that the United States could carry out its plans, including planned redeployments, even if the Iraqi government did not implement their planned changes.

The United States must not make an open-ended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq.

[...]

The United States should work closely with Iraq’s leaders to support the achievement of specific objectives—or milestones—on national reconciliation, security, and governance. Miracles cannot be expected, but the people of Iraq have the right to expect action and progress. The Iraqi government needs to show its own citizens—and the citizens of the United States and other countries—that it deserves continued support.

[Hmmm.... something about milestones in the boldface text...wait, there's more...]

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, in consultation with the United States, has put forward a set of milestones critical for Iraq. His list is a good start, but it must be expanded to include milestones that can strengthen the government and benefit the Iraqi people. President Bush and his national security team should remain in close and frequent contact with the Iraqi leadership to convey a clear message: there must be prompt action by the Iraqi government to make substantial progress toward the achievement of these milestones.

[...]

If the Iraqi government does not make substantial progress toward the achievement of milestones on national reconciliation, security, and governance, the United States should reduce its political, military, or economic support for the Iraqi government.

If you're tired of Shays doublespeak, you can do something about it: Volunteer or make a contribution to the campaign of Democratic Congressional Candidate Jim Himes today. His website link is HimesforCongress.com.  I am so tired of my Congressman lying to me.
 


Dear CaptCT, (0.00 / 0)
I've changed my diary entry here to incorporate some of your quotes from the ISG's report in your comment, and cross-posted it at DailyKos.  I hope that's Kosher and OK with you.  You're right to point out the actual words of the ISG.  The more people see the facts, the clearer it is that Shays isn't telling the truth.

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Troubling (4.00 / 1)
After listening to this I realize Chris never wants to get out of Iraq.  He thinks it is a moral issue to stay until there is no violence.  He believes this is a Churchillian moment when he he, Joe, and George are standing up against the Islamic Fascism.  Others are ignorant of the the threat. 

And if we leave before all is well, Chris is going to say the American People stabbed the good people of Iraq in the back because of our lack of will. And I think he will blame every problem for the next 20 years on this decision.

He really is a RNC talking points machine more than ever

He does not even seem to understand that most of the deaths and bombing are not Al Qeada led or inspired.  That they are having a civil war.  This is a re-run of Yugoslavia: when you have a dictator holding a country together by force and then take that dictator away old rivalries emerge.

Moreover, Chris is now on a "blame the messenger" rant.  He contends all the good news in Iraq is not being covered by the media.  He is seems angry when his "sales" message is not taken as gospel. In fact, every time Chris mentions some good news himself, it seems there sure is a lot of bad news like Anbar province where things are going better except that there was a huge bombing where all the leaders had gathered and several were killed. And one of the leaders just ran off with 75 million dollars of your tax dollars.

I am also irritated by that when ever he gets in the discussions he says he wants more time for Iraq and then limits the discussion.  I will wish that we could have a three hour meeting with a fact checker to verify each of his assertions. 

Or maybe it is not worth the effort.  He will continue to mislead and he will not be listening enough to change his mind.


Both Ways Shays (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for enlightening me. I heard the replay of the interview driving to work tonight and actually started thinking "this guy's not so bad after all."

Woah, really? (0.00 / 0)
That's kinda scary.  Did he not come off as testy and annoyed during the interview, then?

[ Parent ]
That is why he gets re-elected (0.00 / 0)
Calm assertions that are false is the way he get re-elected.  "abu grab was a sex ring."  "I am for time lines." "Things are getting better in Iraq."  " I wish I could control those RNC mailings"

His technique to explain his ineffectiveness is playing the part of the victim:  " I can't get things passed in DC because of Tom Delay."; "I can't get things passed because of the lack of bi-partisanship"; "Committee Chair Waxman runs his committee like a Stalinist" 

I am not sure what it will take to dislodge him from his seat. He has bamboozled a county of senior executives to the nations top corporations, street smart citizens, and media savvy viewers.


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hi (0.00 / 0)
that  why  we need  everbody to  work  for jum himes  for  congeress he  our man ok  he  tell  mr shays  what  needs to  be  down  we will  beet  him next time  we in wesport  ct support him

[ Parent ]
Whoa Scary (4.00 / 1)
He did come across as testy -- when I challenged him on his abusive treatment of the bereaved Blackwater families.  However, for much of the rest of the program, he managed to employ a familiar tactic: Take the microphone and begin a lengthy, circuitous talk (much of it false) in order to keep control of the conversation and lessen the time for more callers to challenge him.

[ Parent ]
I've noticed Lieberman does the same thing (4.00 / 1)
McCain does it too. Just keep yammering and don't let anyone else get air time or squeeze in a question.

maybe if they say it long enough and often enough, they'll believe it too

.Adding Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity to Blogging since 1999!.


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