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The latest response from Lt Alessi-Friedlander

by: saramerica

Tue Apr 10, 2007 at 06:58:21 AM EDT


I'd written a bit about my problems with his reponse but then hit the wrong button and lost everything and now I'm late for the school run so...here it is, without commentary from me. But believe me, there will be more later!
saramerica :: The latest response from Lt Alessi-Friedlander
Ms. Littman:

I'm glad you responded to my letter and have used it to stimulate further discussion with your readership.

I want to make several things very clear:

1.  I am not attempting to use my influence to prevent the play from being performed.  However, now that I've had a chance to read both the "early" (i.e. the one the class originally intended to perform) and the "later" versions of "Voices in Conflict," I think it should be clear to everyone the benefit that time, serious study, and thoughtful reflection will impart upon the version that is ultimately performed.

2.  High-school students are mostly under the age of 18 - i.e. the age at which the government has determined that they are able to serve in the military and to vote in formal elections.  In other words, prior to the age of 18, high-school-aged students are relieved of the responsibility of participating in our civic processes so that they may cultivate the critical thinking skills necessary to make these types of important decisions.  You said in your response that Ms. Dickinson's advanced students were intending to stimulate discussion and therefore are not required to do thesis work.  I would counter this contention by saying that if these students want to take on a serious subject, then they must be prepared to do the serious work necessary not only to stimulate but to frame and develop a serious discourse.  Again, this is all part of the process of high-school learning.  I went to that high school, and it is blessed with some extraordinary teachers, who would embrace the opportunity to hold the extra-cirricular seminars necessary to develop a project of this magnitude.

3.  When I accused you of taking the quotes from my "Blizzard" article out of context, I was not accusing you of misquoting me but rather of distorting my intent by the way in which you used them in your column.  The purpose of my article was to underscore the importance of assisting Iraqi schools.  Through this assistance, Iraqi children in the greater-BGD area will have greater opportunities to continue their education beyond the primary-school threshold to which they are most often currently limited.  By furthering their education - they like American school children - will have increased opportunities to make well-reasoned and informed decisions about the direction of their own lives and of their country.  I was not attempting to suggest that they should be allowed rampant freedom of speech before reaching adulthood.  Many middle-eastern media outlets are infamous propaganda tools of extremist government and insurgent groups, thereby allowing the public discourse on important domestic and international issues to be distorted.  Primary- and secondary-school educations the world over are places for developing critical-thinking skills and for guided intellectual experimentation.

4.  You accused my mother and sister of not attempting to provide balance by not contributing other excepts to the play's script.  I think that you may be looking at the problem of the script's lack of objectivity from the wrong perspective - in you efforts to assess blame.  The only part of the "original script" that a reasonable person would interpret as being pro-military-service (NOTE: I am NOT saying "pro-war" - for no reasonable person is pro-war) is the opening poem; the other 4 1/2 pages are filled with disillusionment, anger, and criticism of the military and our civilian leaders.  My mother and sister were simply trying to encourage the drama teacher to provide context and objectivity - something that is the RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TEACHER when in a high-school/learning environment.  Moreover, I agree that Gabriella could have written a play of her own - but instead, she has chosen to balance a schedule of honors classes and drama rehearsals with her responsibilities as the student leader of a club that has been responsible for the collection of hundreds of soccer balls for distribution through my unit to Iraqi children.  These soccer-ball distributions have not only brought great joy to the lives of these children, but have also helped my unit's soldiers to build closer relationships with the local nationals in the dangerous areas that we patrol.

5.  I also think you are being a bit presumptuous in your efforts to enlighten me about the different motivations and experiences of soldiers who have deployed to Iraq.  Your support of the platoon-sponsorship program is admirable, and the experiences of the soldier whom you supported are indeed shared by many others.  But I would like to make 2 points in response.  First, as a junior officer, I live, train, and fight with these soldiers - and, as a result, we develop close personal bonds through which I have been able to counsel them on their concerns.  Their morale and welfare are serious concerns of mine and the stress of deployments places great burdens on them and their families; but, as soldiers, we have a responsibility to fulfill the orders of our senior leadership.  Instead of using our stress and discomfort as rhetorical props in a superficial political debate, the public must challenge our civilian leadership to widen and deepen the discourse on policy - i.e. to understand the complexity of the issues with which we are currently grappling and to determine practical courses of actions through which problems can be resolved.  Second, there are soldiers who are proud of their service and recognize the benefits it has bestowed upon them.  Not only do soldiers have access to educational opportunities and housing & healthcare benefits to which they would not otherwise have had access, but they have also had their perspectives enlarged through the seriousness of their experiences.

In closing, I would like to underscore again that freedom of speech is a privilege and a right: it is an extraordinary tool for shaping our nation's present and future.  And, in an abstract intellectual sense, the principal of free speech is absolute.  However, in a practical sense, we must be willing to do the hard thinking and work necessary for free speech's most effective application.  We have a long history of defending this right, stretching from the infamous (e.g. allowing the dissemination of KKK and neo-Nazi propaganda) to the ridiculous (e.g. the Supreme Court's current case against the "bong hits for Jesus" high-school banner).  But free speech's true legacy is only evident in the work of those people who have been willing to match the passion of their emotion with the rigor of their intellect.  For example, Lincoln's famous "Cooper Union Speech," which is one of the central events in the abolition of slavery, is 7500 words serious discussion: moving rhetoric matched by substantive references to constitutional law as well as to historical and then-current events.  We must, as a country, work harder to make the public discourse more serious - and this starts with how we train the younger generation in school.

Respectfully,
R.Z. Alessi-Friedlander

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A small caution... (4.00 / 1)
When trying to deal with belief systems, consider that the logic is probably internal...

"God wrote the Bible, we know because the Bible tells us so."


They're not qualified (4.00 / 1)
"In other words, prior to the age of 18, high-school-aged students are relieved of the responsibility of participating in our civic processes so that they may cultivate the critical thinking skills necessary to make these types of important decisions. "

Such horseshit.

This borders on Britney Spears saying we should all just trust the president because he knows best sort of reasoning.


Maybe what they really want... (4.00 / 3)
is a production of My Pet Goat.

Minors have free speech rights, too (4.00 / 1)
The Constitution does not restrict free speech rights only to people over age 18.  R.Z. Alessi-Friedlander seems to think that "rampant freedom of speech" among high school students is a problem.  That's very disturbing.

Moreover, he exhibits the same utter lack of understanding of dramatic arts as his mother does.  Art has no obligation to be "objective", even if it is performed in school.  It is perfectly fine for a dramatic piece to contain a point of view.  Even if the whole production were a pro-military, pro-war, pro-Bush rah-rah carnival, it could still be an acceptable piece of dramatic art.  (And one would hope that another group of drama students would be interested in a piece that reflects a different point of view as well.)

Art is not an encyclopedia entry.  To expect a dramatic production to be in any way comparable to Lincoln's famous "Cooper Union Speech" is absurd and bizarre and reflects a profound misunderstanding of the context of this debate, which is a DRAMA class, not a history class.  For argument's sake, however, it's interesting to point out that Lincoln's speech had a clear point of view and a clear political intent.  It was not "balanced." 

The response to free speech that you disagree with is more speech, not censorship.  It's fine that R.Z.'s sister is too busy with her soccer ball project and other activities to create her own "pro-military" play -- it sounds like she has her priorities in order, and they are fine ones.  The fact that she doesn't choose to make time to write her own play does not mean she should shut down the speech of others.


Spot on! (0.00 / 0)
Excellent response - maybe even worth sending to him, or perhaps using as an LTTE in response to Sarah's followup.

[ Parent ]
I've decided to write next week's column on (0.00 / 0)
what constitutes intellectual freedom and will be debunking many of Lt A-F's arguments in doing so.

Like, dude! Did you ever hear of something called "The Socratic Method"? 

More thoughts, as they develop...


[ Parent ]
hehehe (0.00 / 0)
and I own the domain socratictutor.com :-)


The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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[ Parent ]
LOL (0.00 / 0)
Assuming that's not a porn site, I may need your services when Sarah's next column comes out. Something tells me I'm going to need to know what "Socratic" means :-)

[ Parent ]
Tut tut tut! (0.00 / 0)
Get your mind out of the gutter, honey...Socratic as in  "Socrates". You know, the dead Greek philosopher dude :>)

[ Parent ]
It will be the main (0.00 / 0)
domain for the EduCAD-ST product

[you could call it part of my "day job" if I had one http://www.educadlea... ]

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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[ Parent ]
I'm actually mulling over (4.00 / 1)
the idea of writing next week's column about the fallout of last week's.

I find Lt AF's point of view incredibly disturbing on so many levels. I think I need to sit down and write it out.


The probem with this letter is that there is so much wrong (4.00 / 1)
that one doesn't know where to start.

I am not attempting to use my influence to prevent the play from being performed.  However, now that I've had a chance to read both the "early" (i.e. the one the class originally intended to perform) and the "later" versions of "Voices in Conflict," I think it should be clear to everyone the benefit that time, serious study, and thoughtful reflection will impart upon the version that is ultimately performed.

What a total crock. How about the paragraph below, I bet that is true for him too.

After having read both the truth about weapons of mass destruction, 9/11 and terrorist ties in Iraq and the lies proagated by the Bush administration, I believe that the lies that have led to thousands of unnecessary American deaths is a better story. I believe that we have the benefit of time to see that the advasary is in the last throughs and that we are bring peace and democracy to people that want it.

His problem seems to be that he thinks that standing up for the troops means buying nto the administrations BS. Well as many letters in the military times (Army Times, etc) show, that is not the case. A better case can be made that by presenting the original play the students were standing up for the troops. That they were sharing the troops words and concerns with a wider audience. That they care more for the troops than the administration and leadership that placed them in harms way based on a series of lies and falsehoods.

If he truly believes in the mission, then please, where are the WMDs that were such a threat to America that it should cost over 3,000 American lives? THat was how the war was sold to AMerica. Well, where are the WMDs? If there are no WMDs then let's just say "I'm sorry" and get our troops home and out of harms way!

However, in a practical sense, we must be willing to do the hard thinking and work necessary for free speech's most effective application.

This is a man who promised to defend the US Constitution. I see nowhere in that document where is say "you have to watch what you say." In fact, the only people I know who have made that statement here in America was the Presidents spokeperson at the time Ari Fleischer. When you have to "watch what you say" that isn't "free speech". That's bullshit and unconstitutional. The fact that WHS didn't get that simple thought through to you in four years of education says more about the schools failure than anything else.

We must, as a country, work harder to make the public discourse more serious - and this starts with how we train the younger generation in school.

And it clear from your letter that WHS failed in your case. Your lack of understanding of the Constitution that you have sworn to uphold shows that you were not taught basic civics in WHS (or if you were taught basic civics, you failed to understand and pass the class).

When you agreed to protect and defend the Constitution, you should have understood the document you were agreeing to protect and defend. It has no limits on the rights to free speech. It doesn't say that you have to be over 18 to be elidgable for the rights, it says that all rights are yours, from the moment of your birth, and that no government can limit those rights. It doesn't say that "free speech" must be "correct speech". It says that speech is a freedom we all have. We can all be as wrong as we like and tell everyone in the world what we think, that is OUR right. That is what you signed on to protect and defend.

If you really want to make "public discourse more serious" then start y demanding that people be held accountable for the lies they tell when they exercise their rights of free speech. Anyone can yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, and in doing so they will be held responsible for the panic that ensues. The currect administration, your nominal bosses, lied. To date no obne has held them accountable for their lies and for the 3,000+ deaths that they are responsible for for yelling WMD when it was clear that there were none. If you were to do what you swore to do, uphold and defend the Constitution fromenemied foreign and domestic, then may I suggest that the best place to start is the failed US leadership that lied you into Iraq in the first place, not the freedoms that you swore to defend that the WHS students are using.



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