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The Benefits of Universal Healthcare are Something to Smile About

by: Connecticut Man1

Wed Jan 03, 2007 at 22:25:49 PM EST


Why is this man smiling?


"A RELATIVE BARGAIN: George Mercieca, a worker at a GM assembly plant in Oshawa, Ontario, shows off his Canadian health care card. GM spends an average of $1,385 a year on medical bills for hourly workers in Canada. An American autoworker costs the company about $5,000, but studies show Americans are no healthier than their foreign counterparts."

He is smiling because he has a great job with better medical benefits than most Americans could ever hope for under our failed healthcare for profit system. The kind of job that Connecticut , and the USA as a whole, can never hope to attract under our current system. If you do not believe me than ask youself "what does the manufacturing industry really have to say about this?" (More Below)

Connecticut Man1 :: The Benefits of Universal Healthcare are Something to Smile About
While training issues are less of a problem here in Connecticut, because we have a decent educational system, healthcare is cited as a major issue for Toyota's decision to pick Ontario as the location of a new factory for their Rav-4s slated to open in 2008:
"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant.

Acknowledging it was the "worst-kept secret" throughout Ontario's automotive industry, Toyota confirmed months of speculation Thursday by announcing plans to build a 1,300-worker factory in the southwestern Ontario city.

"Welcome to Woodstock - that's something I've been waiting a long time to say," Ray Tanguay, president of Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada, told hundreds gathered at a high school gymnasium.

The plant will produce the RAV-4, dubbed by some as a "mini sport-utility vehicle" that Toyota currently makes only in Japan. It plans to build 100,000 vehicles annually.

The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs.

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.

In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.

"Most people don't think of our health-care system as being a competitive advantage," he said.


It is clearly an advantage for any company that wants to open up a business in any industry... A 4 to 5 dollar per hour advantage. An advantage so great that any state that passes true-single-payer government run Universal Healthcare first will be positioned to become a mecca for any company considering opening any kind of business.

We already have an educational advantage over the most of the USA, having a highly rated school system and a high rate of college graduates. Why the hold up on giving these businesses the real money savings that Universal Healthcare would provide and the other best reason to set up shop in Connecticut?

Because of lobbying from the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

We need to take them out of the loop in the decision making process for this issue since we know they will fight it tooth-and-nail. We need to look at what is best for the people of Connecticut and for all industries, not just those two lobbying behemoths.

And just how much more is our healtcare costing us?

Medical bills soar

Divide the nation's medical bill evenly across the population, and each of us paid $6,102 in 2004, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. That's 50 percent more than the residents of the country with the next-highest health care bill, Switzerland ($4,077), and more than double the average for industrialized nations ($2,546).

...snip...

Those countries provide health care for all their residents for less money than the United State spends while it leaves an estimated 46 million without insurance.

That's contradicted by studies conducted by Gerard Anderson, director of the Center for Hospital Finance and Management at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. "We have about the same number of MRIs and CT scanners as Canada, the U.K. and France, and far fewer than Japan," Anderson said. "We have the same number of doctors, doctor visits, hospitals and inpatient days at hospitals.

"The difference is we pay two to 2 1/2 times more for virtually identical services."

The average U.S. physician earned $180,000 in 2004, Anderson said; in Canada, it was $100,000 (in U.S. dollars).

Even after adjusting for the higher income of U.S. residents, Americans pay on average $2,000 more per year for health care than the residents of the next-highest paying country, Anderson said.

One out of every seven dollars spent today in the United States goes for health care -- a record 15.3 percent of the gross domestic product in 2004, the latest year for which statistics are available. By comparison, Canada spends 9.9 percent of its GDP; Japan spends 8.0 percent.

By 2015, one out of every five dollars spent in the United States will go for health care, according to projections by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. If those projections hold, the average American's share for medical needs alone will be a staggering $12,320.

For all that money, you would expect Americans to be healthier than their foreign friends. The opposite is true.

Whoa! They are healthier than us, and they pay less? Good for the pocketbook and for your health?

# If you're born in the United States, chances are that you'll die younger than people born in other industrialized nations. The United States has the lowest life expectancy of 14 nations measured by the World Health Organization. U.S. life expectancy in 2001 was 77.1; Canada, 79.7; Italy, 79.8; Japan, 81.5

# The infant mortality rate is higher in the United States than in other industrialized nations. In 2003, seven infants died for every 1,000 live births in the United States -- the worst rate of 19 countries measured by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.


Longer lives? More lives saved? Healthier Lives?

I am thinking that anyone that is really PRO-LIFE, and not just talking about it for political reasons, would have to be shocked by those infant mortality rates. Why aren't they screaming about this issue? If they really are honest about being pro-life than they should be our allies on true Universal Healthcare.

As for manufacturers, just how much profit margin can healthcare open up for them?

Those vehicles, often parked on the same dealer lot as identical vehicles produced in U.S. plants, have one notable difference: Each vehicle assembled in the United States cost GM $1,525 for health care; those made in Canada cost GM $197.

The higher salaries of Canadian autoworkers offset much of the health care savings for the company, said Jim Cameron, labor relations director for GM Canada. But at the cash-strapped automaker, such a huge health care cost differential is hard to ignore. The difference is primarily a result of Canada's national health care system, in which most medical bills are paid by the government. Most countries have similar systems.


WHAT THE FUCK!!! They get higher wages up there too? And GM still racks up more profits from production up north in Canada then they can maufacturing down here?

How much more of this are you Nutmeggers willing to take?


Can you imagine the shockwave across the nation if a car manufacturer or some other large industry chose to locate in Connecticut over other states or countries... Literally reversing current trends. And it could happen.

Do you want to continue to pay more just to get less? Less healthy workers, less money, less jobs, less profit for industry as a whole.

Why not get more? More people that actually have coverage? More healthy workers that are more productive? More savings in healthcare for us and for industry? More manufacturers picking Connecticut as their destination of choice? More smiles on Nutmeggers' faces.

Universal Healthcare is the answer to everyone getting more.

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General Motors (4.00 / 1)
My cousin designs cars for General Motors and, since I got my driver's license in 1994, I had always driven GM cars and usually had all kinds of problems with them. Finally, last year, I got sick of it and I vowed not to purchase an American car again. It was just a hassle and a pain dealing with all the repairs. Also, I don't know shit about cars...so whenever I bought my car to the mechanic and he would explain to me what was wrong with the car, he just sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher in the cartoons. The mechanic would talk about my "fuel pump" or "shocks"--but all I heard was "Wah, wah, wah, wah".

Last year, feeling somewhat guilty about it, I bought a Japanese car and it's been problem-free. My husband has the same Japanese car, which he bought a couple of years before I did and he hasn't had any problems with his either.

Anyway, last weekend, I had dinner with my cousin as we were both visiting our mutual relatives in NJ and we had a discussion about American cars vs. Japanese cars.

My cousin said that Japanese auto companies have an unfair advantage over American auto companies because they don't have to pay for the healthcare of their workers. My cousin says that GM pays the same amount of money in healthcare costs per car ($1,500) as it does for the steel required to make the car. Also, he said cars made in Japan do not pay any import taxes when brought to the United States--but yet the Japanese (and Chinese) government do not allow imports of US-made cars. If the US auto companies want to sell cars in China or Japan, they have to establish a plant in those foreign countries and set them up as joint ventures with the local companies there--so that the Chinese and Japanese can have an opportunity to see how the US companies make their cars.

Then I talked to him about some lessons I learned from the book, American Theocracy, and how it discussed the decline of US manufacturing...how we have shifted from a manufacturing based economy to a financial services based economy...where a lot of the "wealth" is generated by "shuffling money around" in complex financial instruments--not generated by manufacturing goods.

The book suggested will be dangerous for our economic future in the long run. Anyway, my cousin said that the US hardly manufactures anything anymore--except cars, weapons, and computers. He said that when you buy japanese cars, you're pumping money over to foreign governments instead of your own people in the United States.

I understand his point--and I'm sympathetic, obviously, I want to help the American worker in my heart--but I freakin hate to have to repair my car all the time! I drive a lot and want something reliable...

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison


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I bought a used Ford for cash a few years ago with 47,000 miles on it, thinking it would  really last well and I would have minimal additional investments in it other than maintenance.  The kinds of repairs I had on that low mileage (but also low GPM) car due to cheesy parts and construction were ridiculous, after having had a Mazda pickup truck for 10 years that NEVER had the same kind of repairs (breaking car handle?? horn giving out?? headlight switch breaking?? window rolling device breaking?  COME ON).  At end of 2005, the car had 115,000 miles and I was faced with yet another big repair due to a damaged front bumper and was very worried about the direction of gas prices.  I put money instead into buying a Toyota with 157,000 miles on it thinking at least I could control my environmental damage better -- and so far have replaced a sensor for $300, period.  Probably put around 10K miles on it last year and definitely use less gas/don't pollute as much.

My mechanic at the time just said there was zero comparison between the two cars -- i could junk the Ford and likely could hold onto the Toyota for another 100K miles, and that Toyotas have parts that are comparatively cheap and they're easy for anyone to repair.

I can live with the tradeoff on cars. The environment has to come first, and that works out well for my wallet, as well.  I like the concept of buying local, but buying most US cars at this point is pro-US and anti-planet.


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