"Arrogant Self-Delusion"

I'm extremely happy Chuck Hagel now agrees with (0.00 / 0)

the millions of us "crazy Liberals" who took to the streets of our country to try and stop this disaterous  war before it started.

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by: ctkeith @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 17:28:15 PM UTC

One thing I'd Like to straighten out with Sen. Hagel (3.50 / 2)

There were NO "HONORABLE INTENTIONS" in the reasoning for the Iraq war.Only arrogant assumtions , outright Lies and cowardice by members of congress like yourself who voted Yes on the IWR.

The Senate and the House will be tarnished badly as long as any who voted  for the IWR remain members of those bodies.

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by: ctkeith @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 17:37:24 PM UTC

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Amen! (0.00 / 0)

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by: mikect @ Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 14:38:00 PM UTC

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link to Hagel audio in this post (0.00 / 0)

http://www.myleftnut...

a video statement is available at the link in this post.

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by: greenpeas @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 17:28:47 PM UTC

Another look at American History (4.00 / 2)

You know what I really miss...Bobby Kennedy. He didn't sugar coat American history. And we listened, more than that we rallied behind him.

We should not sugar coat this war in Iraq. It is not now nor ever "noble". It is oil hegemony. Our history is laden with these so-called "noble" causes. Other than our late entry in the WWII (when we became barbaric as we firestormed Dresden killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and leveling Japanese cities with the first and only explosion of the a-bomb)our wars have been first and formost to advance American corporate/capitalist causes. Our mult-trillion dollar military complex exists for the sole purpose of expanding transnational corporate growth.

Let's face these facts, these truths. Our history is one long war of aggression first here against Native Americans and then throughout the global.

Yes, we need to get out of Iraq and get out NOW. 1/3 of those dying are children and 85% are civilians. Let's just not tell ourselves stories about "noble intentions" so we can stop this barbarism once and for all.

We've got to look for brutal honesty coupled with hope, compassion, generocity, peace, and justice. We can't caluculate this into workable political slogans like good intentions gone awry or "noble causes" where none exist. Let's stop the lies and the historical narrative of deceipt so we can move on and find the necessary leadership to get us out of this delusion of grandeur.

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by: maxfield @ Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 19:21:54 PM UTC

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by: Sue @ Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:32:13 PM UTC

Here's another one (0.00 / 0)

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by: Sue @ Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:33:10 PM UTC

"America cannot impose a democracy on any nation." (0.00 / 0)

This is the single most important truism in Hagel's words which America somehow forgot, even after Vietnam. We cannot impose how we govern ourselves on other people.

A lot of conservative neocon (those still blindly supporting GWB and his war) wing-nuts like to compare the Iraq War to WWII. Aside from the obvious non-comparisons (US was attacked in Pearl Harbor by Japan, and Germany invaded most of Europe; Iraq had not invaded any country when US invaded Iraq in 2003), Germany, Italy and Japan already had budding democracies before WWII. Germany had the Weimar Republic before Hitler's totalitarian third Reich. Italy and Japan were both constitutional monarchies with a parliament. After WWII, America and her allies did not impose democracies in these 3 countries. They merely restored them.

On the other hand, Iraq had never been a democracy. It was always ruled by some form of military dictatorship since it was granted its independence in 1932. The Iraqi people have no history nor experience of what a democracy should be. When we send in our military to try to "teach" them what democracy is supposed to be, we pay dearly for their lessons (and possibly for their lack of interest in learning those lessons). In the eyes of the Iraqi people, the worst possible outcome in now having our military firmly entrenched in Iraqi soil is that we are merely replacing the old military dictatorships with our own.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.

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by: connecticutyankee @ Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 15:35:05 PM UTC