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The Debate Debated

by: BranfordBoy

Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 23:54:23 PM EDT


And now for a more "in-depth" quick overview of the debate, which I was pleased to have attended. (One out of three ain't bad.)

Joe was once again dead center, although apparently position in all debates was determined by lot. He's one lucky guy.

The first thing that struck me was how true to form Lieberman was. Apparently, by mutual consent of the participants, there was to be no opening statement. Joe went first and prefaced his answer to the first question with an extended opening statement in which he said something to the effect that he hoped there would be "no finger pointing" and complaining about each other, but that "we will talk about what we will do for Connecticut."

When he finally got around to addressing the question -- so much later that it drew laughter -- he immediately began finger pointing and comjplaining and did virtually nothing else for the entire evening.

The crowd was very clearly Lamont's.  It seems Lieberman had so few takers that they had to give tickets to people whose allegiance they didn't know. Several people sitting near me, who were Lamont supporters, had gotten their tickets from the Lieberman camp.

The result was an imbalance that was clearly obvious in the crowd reaction -- and Lieberman gave them plenty of reason to groan and even hiss. Add to this the disruption (already noted below) by a bunch of nutjobs from the LaRouche cult and I'm afraid the Lieberman campaign will spin the evening as yet another example of those wild-eyed leftists who have taken over the Democratic Party disrupting Joe's freedom of speech.

Still Joe got the able assitance of press questioner Mark Davis, who served as a surrogate attack dog for Joe, needling Lamont and exchanging nods, winks, and smiles with Lieberman when others were speaking.

Schlesinger seems to have made an attempt to rein himself in and be more "senatorial," but he was at his best when his irrepressibility refused to be repressed. He had the best lines of the debate, including spinning Joe's promise to serve only three terms: "He meant he wanted to serve three terms as a Democrat and three terms as a Republican an Independent."

George Stephanopoulos did a pretty mediocre job of moderating and it was fun to watch Schlesinger cut him down to size (if that's the right expression).

The hottest moment came when Lieberman as much as called Lamont a liar and Lamont called him on it. Lieberman's own lies and prevarications were on abundant display and regularly drew boos, hisses, derisive laughter, and even the occasional shout of "Shame!"

The most bathetic moment came when Stephanopoulos held Lieberman to a 90 second statement and Joe whined that he was being unfair (because the LaRouchies had drowned him out earlier). Just pathetic.

The debate ended with Lamont calling for more debates and Schlesinger readily agreeing (or was it vice versa?). Lieberman seemed none too interested. If I was advising the Lamont campaign, I'd suggest they arrange a debate with Schlesinger for Thursday. Let Joe show if he wants.

I urge you to seek out the video when it becomes available. The consensus of everyone I spoke to was that this was the most entertaining debate of the bunch.

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It was a lovefest (0.00 / 0)
And Stephanopoulos...wtf?

I would have like to hear Ned address the fact that he called for spending caps when he was attacked about his money. He should have also attacked the heckler during the heckling and not wait to address until it was his turn.

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." - Bertrand Russell


WFSB story must be corrected (0.00 / 0)
Just watched the re-broadcast of the WFSB TV news.  News anchor Dennis House said:

Lieberman was heckled by Lamont supporters, who disrupted the debate..  Moderator George Stephanoplous tried to get the crowd to be quiet and Schlesinger came to Lieberman's rescue.

Then it cut to Schlesinger shouting at the heckler to show Lieberman some respect.  I taped it on a VCR, but don't have a digital format to upload.

According to one blogger, "I just got off the phone with the news department of WFSB and they swore up and down that they did not claim the heckler was a Lamont supporter."

WFSB is wrong in their coverage and wrong in their denials.  The Day and numerous other sources have reported that the hecklers were Lyndon LaRouche supporters.  There is not now and never was evidence that they were Lamont supporters.

Call the News Department at 866-289-0333 and request an on-air apology and correction.  You can also e-mail newsdesk3@wfsb.com.  If the e-mail addresses are consistent across staff, then News Director Gary Brown should be at gary.brown@wfsb.com.


And mention the bouncer (0.00 / 0)
And tell them it was a Lamont staff person who threw the heckler out of the hall.

[ Parent ]
Do you have a digital camera (0.00 / 0)
that records short videos with sound?

Seriously, just taking video of your TV playing that clip with a digital camera (a lot of still cameras take short videos w/sound) would be effective.

Even a cellphone cam video...but I imagine that might be tougher for to transfer if you don't have a memory card or usb cable for the phone.

|Spazeboy.net|Spazeboy's Guide to Political Videoblogging|


[ Parent ]
Nope, sorry, I'm digitally deprived. n/t (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
WFSB is amateur hour. (0.00 / 0)
These guys are better at cats stuck in trees. They don't even have a story on their website about the debate.

The on-air personalities are more game show hosts than journalists.  I agree that they should know that they made a mistake, but demanding a correction will only piss them off. We need to make sure that they get it right from now forward.  Bombarding them with calls and emails is only going to make them even more pro-Joe for the next two weeks.

Ned's got a big ad buy coing up. The campaign has the best call into the station.  I would let them handle it.

It's Morning in America. Too bad Reagan's not here to see it. - Me


[ Parent ]
The Line from Schlesinbger you quoted (0.00 / 0)
was great but it ended with Independent NOT Republican if my memory serves me right.

CTKeith correct - 3 terms Dem + 3 terms Indie (0.00 / 0)
Also, Lieberman did nod in agreement to the idea of more debates.  I believe all three were agreed in principle on stage to do one more debate.

[ Parent ]
My wife, the editor, caught me on that too. It's fixed. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
embarrassing adults in charge; missing security detail; immigration (0.00 / 0)
Those running the debate were embarrassing and there was no gravitas.  Very amateurish and unprofessional, no journalistic gravitas, to be repetitively redundant.

And where was the security detail?  There didn't seem to be any security, if a Lamont supporter had to throw out the heckler. Charles's story  needs to be gotten on video and spread around so it's not just he said/she said.

This is a debate I hope I can rewatch and study - much to be learned from the audience response and what generated it.

Is Alan a trial lawyer?  Sure acts like he's gotten trained in playing juries like a fiddle.  He's not afraid to use his whole being as an instrument of persuasion. It may be borrowed from method acting - he calls up the genuine emotion and connects with it to make use of it in his argument.

I expect that his hardline stance on immigration will win him votes in towns like Danbury where much upset framed as "illegal immigration" has become divisive and the mayor favors increased ICE agent visits and arrests. 

Will Joe find a photo op to say "this is outrageous" right before the election to create a perception about his policies doesn't match his actual stances and take votes from Alan's hardcore base?  Latin American Muslims shipping shampoo over the Rio Grande headed for Connecticut -- with instructions for use from an internet blog?

Hat tip in order - CTBlogger's HatCityBlog has done an outstanding job of providing citizen information on this issue unfolding in Danbury  over the months. 


Good point (0.00 / 0)
Here is Joe Lieberman touting all that he has done to make us safer and yet in  New London, site of a crucial military installation, in a theater where a sitting US Senator is on stage, there is no security detail to IMMEDIATELY rush these whackos out the door.

Next time it could be Islamo-Fascists with grenades. Boo!


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Who saw them and when did they disappear? (4.00 / 1)
Okay, somebody just said the security guys were there at the end of this event.  Look, camera operators and directors have  headsets and they completely have the ability to get ahold of someone outside the studio to  pull the wacks out of the audience.  Why didn't they?  Nutjobs who won't respond to requests to be quiet may have weapons - you need to know what kind of nutcase you are dealing with and exactly which traffic light signals are giving them messages from God.

Who saw security, and when?  And who saw them disappear? 

Why isn't Lamont or Lieberman or both calling for an investigation into the lack of security?  If someone paid off these guards, or they just decided to go get coffee, then someone endangered an elected official.  If it was a dirty trick, someone still put an elected official in danger in their rabid desire to create an opportunity to smear Lamont.

I want to know who gave them tickets.  Were the ticketholders' names recorded?

If it were a dirty trick and tickets could be gotten to the LaRouche folks, then the thing to do is make security disappear.  Deniability reigns and Joe gets multiple replays of his false accusations.  The damage is done and the retractions don't hit the same audience as the accusations.

See, I am not a happy camper now, because I have an issue in that I have a senator who gives "sitting senator" a new definition, because he is sitting on a honkin big pile of petty cash.

This is the problem with large petty cash funds.  Even if you've done nothing wrong, you leave yourself open to all sorts of false accusations or even just voter anxiety.


[ Parent ]
I was in the upper deck (0.00 / 0)
I did not see tparty do his thing below, but he owns a chunk of that crazy day, big kudos to them.

There was no true security per se, just nice usher types who were not about to drag out a pair buried in the middle of the front row of the balcony.

New London cops showed up and with very little resistance escorted the offenders out.

By all accounts, with the all madness outside, the New London PD were very cordial to all and kept order pretty well.  The supporters for each candidate were quite civil outside.  The third party Code Pink, LaRouchePAC, assorted anti-war and anti-Israel were the folks that caused some consternation, it was hard to relate to them, it wasn't clear if they were there to support a candidate or simply take advantage of the cameras.

I think the problem was with those who issued tickets.  VoteJoe mailed tickets to all sorts of folks, since they do not seem to have any facetime with their supporters.  I'd bet that the hecklers got in on Joe tix, but not intentionally.


[ Parent ]
They could also have gotten tickets directly from The Day (0.00 / 0)
The Day had 200 tickets to give out.  All you had to do was drive to either their Norwich or New London office to get a pair of tickets.

[ Parent ]
DONE. (0.00 / 0)
I called them and politely explained all of this to them.  The woman there seemed interested in the problem, and who knows - they might do something.  But I'm not holding my breath.

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