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The Debate!

by: BranfordBoy

Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 18:47:31 PM EDT


Settling in in a comfortable living room on the Branford shore with a broad spectrum of local Dems raninging in age from the early twenties all the way up to the eighties. There are DTC members here along with college kids and the proverbial suburban housewives (none of them desperate, on would hope).

In C-Span's warm-up, Mark Pazniokas just gave us bloggers for creating a movement before there was a candidate. Yay for us!

7 pm. They're off an running.

Just over 20 of us here. The youngest just arrived, a beautiful one year old.

BranfordBoy :: The Debate!
7:04 - My God the way Joe says, "Me!" The old one issue slur is coming out first and foremost.

His opening statement was a litany of half turths that cast his on again off again record as 110% progressive. Jeez.

7:06 Ned's deer in the headlights look faded quickly, thank God. And unlike Joe, he's talking the issues. Nicely done.

Joe's "It's a very good question." gets a big laugh from this.

He wants us to respect him for taking a wholly wrongheaded position.crowd. He's accusing Ned for flip flopping. Personal attacks to the forefront.

Ned's come back, "You're the only one who's confused about my position on Iraq" get a huge cheer.

7:11 Wow! Ned's showing some serious cojones. Go, Ned!

Monahan tries to snooker Ned and he handles it beautifully. My worries about Ned being able to handle himself are starting to melt away.

7:14 Joe's trying to claim he's for withdrawal. Ned's responding with aplomb. This will work well for Ned. Joe's keep saying Ned's waffling. Whatta maroon.

7:15 Joe's essentially saying all rules are off after 9/11. Then tries to say we're fighting Bush.

Ned replies that Bush is acting as if he's above the law. Good respon se, but Ned's missing a chance to nail Joe on his "Bush got it right" and pro-torture statements.

7:17 Brooks asks a dumb question and Ned responds effectively. Calls for dems to stand up and talk constructively. More cheers from this crowd.

Joe uses Reagan's there you go again line. Groans and laughter from this crowd.

Joe speaks against rigid and reflexive partyisanbship -- rigidly and reflexively of course.

7:20 North Korea question to Joe. Joe's being a pussy on confronting them.

Ned responds with the truth. Korea is a REAL threat, has nukes. Ned proposes doing with N. Korea what we should have done with Iraq.

7:22 "What does it mean to you to be a Dem?" Ned talks to his grassroots support. "Best Congress that money can buy." Uses the common ground vs common good line.

Joe tries to hook his star to JFK's adulterous wagon.

Now he's invoking the name of God! Saints preserve us.

He's starting to rattle off the same tiired old talking points. Joe's really losing it.

Ned wants a constructive alternative to Bush and points out the many ways that Joe undermines Dem positions across the board.

Joe's angry!!!

Bailey question: Joe hates democracy. Says Bailey wouldn't have let Joe be challenged. Personally attacking. Now back to the Ned is a Republican meme.

More half-truths about Hillsman coming from Joe.

Ned: Baily would ask Joe to make up his mind. Are you a Dem or atre you not.

Ned did brilliantly rebutting Joe's attack "I got Republoicans to vote for me 80% of the time. I compromised on potholes. Joe compromises on principle."

7:30 Half way home. Ned is laying in to Joe on his lousy record of producing for the state.

Ned on the bear ad: Slihghtly cute but unbearable." Laughter on the shoreline.

Joe is just repeating the he's a Rupublican crap. God, he's doing terribly. I expected much better from Joe, quite frankly.

Joe asks who is Ned Lamont. What he doesn't seem to realize is that the people of CT are finding out tonight and it's all good stuff.

Joe gets challenged on the wealth issue. "It's part of who he is, but who is he?" The more he says it, the better Ned looks.

"I don't hAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY, I HAVE TO WORK HARD." HUGE laugh from this crowd.

Ned points out how many millions Joe has in his war chest and acknowledges that he's been blessed and that now he wants to give back to his country and the people. He's hitting the themes that are important to the voters -- education, choice.

BREAK

Qs from citizens

Gas prices: Ned calls for energy independence. Hits the Cheney oil giveaway that Joe voted for. Joe, well there uyou go again. Ron Reagan redux. God, he's shooting himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth.

Now Joe's saying he voted for a crappy bil because there was one item in it that he worked on that he thought was pretty nifty.

Ned when Joe interrupts: "This isn't Fox News here" Whoops of applause.

7:42 Jobs and outsourcing

Joe: Touting his seniority that will him do mnore of nothing to help the state (I guess). The old pol's nattering about what he's proposing, avoiding what he hasn't delivered.

Ned: "Negotiate trade agreements from a position nof strength." People will respond to that. "Invest in CT's infrastructure to build a base on which business can grow." Well said.

7:45 Illegal immigrants

Ned: "Key is employer inforcement. Not going after employers encourages illegals to come." He doesn't buy the guest worker rationale.

Joe: Did he say something? I fell asleep as he was listing bills he'd sponsored.

Ned in rebuttal touts his expeerience at Harding High. Unlkike Joe, he can put a human face on the problem.

Joe asks Ned to release his tax returns. Ned responds with talk about ethical standards in DC. Pork, Earmarks. This part sounds a little canned. But, God knows, he's right.

Joe speaks in favor of earmarks. Ned says if you want to boast, boast. But these things shoiulkd go through the legislative process.

Ned throws Joe's line about 18 years being enough back in his face. Joe says that was then now it's ME, ME, ME.

Closing Statements! Hooray. Ned's home free.

Joe is prattling on to no effect, reading obviously prepared BS.

Ned offers "criticism, negativism, pessimism. I've prayed with you."

Ned: "People want their leaders to stand up, say what you mean, mean what you say. It won't take me 18 years to do it."

He'll fight for social security, basic liberties, I'll bring our brave troops home to the heroes welcome they deserve. Instead of pissing away $250 mil a day, we'll invest in America.

Powerful closing statement. Wiped Joe's butt with that one. It's All over but the spinning.

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The Debate! | 43 comments
Ned should have opened on the attack (0.00 / 0)
His opening remarks were good, but he should have gone right after Joe. He could have pointed out where Joe is lying on the issues.

Awesome reply (4.00 / 1)
"Senator, you're the only person in connecticut who is unclear on my position on Iraq."

Rock ON, Ned.


Ned Kicks Ass! (0.00 / 0)
Ned is kicking ass & takin' names-or 1 name: Lieberbush

"This war is NOT a single issue, Senator" (0.00 / 0)
EXCELLENT, Excellent.

Lieberman jumps in to break the rules and butts in.  What a pushy negative ass.


Moderators need to GET CONTROL (0.00 / 0)
Moderators are doing an AWFUL job.  They need to GET CONTROL of the format here.  This format is really disrespectful.  Joe  Lieberman needs to follow the rules.

Is it me.. (0.00 / 0)
.. or does Lieberman sound just like Bush?

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
He actually sounds WORSE than Bush - more defensive, more pissy, more simplistic.

Now Lieberman is using SEPTEMBER 11 as a fear tactic!


[ Parent ]
.. (0.00 / 0)
I just replied that to your comment! Great minds think alike :)

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[ Parent ]
Sounds like Reagan too (0.00 / 0)
"There you go again"

[ Parent ]
Lieberman has NO RESPECT (0.00 / 0)
He keeps interrupting.  What a jerk.

re: (0.00 / 0)
He is invoking 9/11.  How Rovian.

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[ Parent ]
Joe Counts Positions (0.00 / 0)
Hey Joe, what's the strategy?: Swiftboat Ned with supposed multiple "positions"?

Joe=Putz (0.00 / 0)
Joe is sticking with his presidental bid debate strategy.

Interupt... Interrupt... Call your opponent names..


Thinking same thing (0.00 / 0)
Joe's favorite tactic.

[ Parent ]
Joe's Mutiple Positions (4.00 / 1)
1 - Kiss Upper right cheek.
2 - Kiss Upper left cheek.
3 - Kiss Lower right cheek.
4 - Kiss Lower left cheek.
5 - Kiss Lower centre line.

:) (0.00 / 0)
LMAO

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[ Parent ]
Ned is missing some opportunities (0.00 / 0)
He's doing a GREAT job of getting to 3rd base, but he's not going all the way home by saying:

"Joe Lieberman, you have FAILED to stand up against Bush on illegal wiretapping.  You have FAILED to censure Bush on..."


He's doing well but missing good jabs (0.00 / 0)
When Joe was talking about criticizing Bush, Ned should have come back with Joe's comments about not questioning the presient during times of war.

[ Parent ]
Jab (0.00 / 0)
When The Lieb said that he was inspired by the politics of the 60s, I kept waiting to see if Ned's response would be that Joe doesn't understand that politics have changed.

Democrats *everywhere* understand this, but Joe's acting like forfeiting half a loaf to Bush/Cheney time and time again counts as principled progressivism. We get 50% of the votes in this country, but we only get crumbs here and there because of Lieberman.

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
Ned is stumbling over a few lines (0.00 / 0)
Lets hope hes been briefed on North Korea.

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Whats a real democrat question... (0.00 / 0)
This is going to be intresting...

.. (0.00 / 0)
I think Ned is rushing his lines a little

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[ Parent ]
This man and his supporters (0.00 / 0)
Ohhhhh......
Who do you mean joe?

The entire state of connecticut?!?!?!?


[ Parent ]
JFK Coattails? (0.00 / 0)
Hey Joe: In 2006 nobody-but-nobody cares 'bout Camelot.
In fact in 2006 JFK would be considered almost a Republican.

he is so horrible!!!!! (0.00 / 0)
I can hardly watch JL is a vile human.

I agree (0.00 / 0)
He is sick.

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[ Parent ]
call him Joe! (0.00 / 0)
Why is Ned calling him Senator Lieberman???

Hey Joe: Answer the questions (0.00 / 0)
Ask Joe 'bout morning after pill for rape victims;
Answer: Ned, years ago you voted blah blah blahhhhhhhhh

Subs (0.00 / 0)
But But...

I saved a Submarine..


Who is Ned Lamont? (0.00 / 0)
He friggin' ownz.

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Lieberbush Says He Doesn't Have Money? (0.00 / 0)
Hey Joe: All that coporate-military contractor-lobbyst A**
kissing & you got no money?


Already done (0.00 / 0)
Lamont rox

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[ Parent ]
Energy... (0.00 / 0)
Point to Lamont..

COnservation is something we can do RIGHT NOW....


Lieberbush: How A Bill Becomes A Law (0.00 / 0)
This part of Bill Bad
+ This part of Bill Not So Hot
+ This Part of Bill, Well It Might Work
_______________________________________

Vote Yes


Oh Joe! (0.00 / 0)
Another, of hundreds of Bills, he was against & VOTED FOR!

good line (0.00 / 0)
who cares about Lamont's income tax-is he a Columbian drug lord?

... (0.00 / 0)
Reckon Lamont was going to appeal to Republicans with the earmark thing?

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[ Parent ]
Ned should point out that (0.00 / 0)
Connecticut has the biggest negative differential between tax dollars paid and federal benefits received

.. (0.00 / 0)
He has, several times.

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[ Parent ]
Closing Statement (4.00 / 1)
I have to say that Lamont's closing statement really inspired me.  Its just a shame I can't vote for him or donate to him, because I might find myself bankrupt!

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The opening statements really scared me (4.00 / 1)
The first few minutes Ned Lamont looked poor, starting off with staring in the wrong direction for the beginning of his opening statement to shifting his eyes to the side and downwards and slightly to the side (never do that. NEVER do that!).

But he buckled down and really gave some good hits. There were a few points that I wished he would have rebutted, such as the fact that his media guy helped get Bush in office because of his work for the Green Party.

I'd say he won this debate, 60-40. Not a total victory, but a sound one.

Social libertarian.


You could see (4.00 / 1)
that Lamont was under tremendous pressure, but, like Jon Stewart at the Oscars (Emmies?) he quickly relaxed and stayed on target.
When I have two kids at school debating a dispute, they are usually polite enough to stay quiet while the other has his say.
Lieberman couldn't stop interrupting (not rebutting) - if I had been Lamont I would have had to say, 'siddown, shaddup!' It demonstrated how defensive Joe really feels.

Lieberman interrupting made (0.00 / 0)
himself look bad-he gave up the prestige he had as the incumbent and looked like a punk

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