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NY Times: Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats

by: Larkspur

Fri Sep 03, 2010 at 17:27:42 PM EDT


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Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats
FORT COLLINS, Colo. - The college vote is up for grabs this year - to an extent that would have seemed unlikely two years ago, when a generation of young people seemed to swoon over Barack Obama.

Though many students are liberals on social issues, the economic reality of a weak job market has taken a toll on their loyalties: far fewer 18- to 29-year-olds now identify themselves as Democrats compared with 2008.

"Is the recession, which is hitting young people very hard, doing lasting or permanent damage to what looked like a good Democratic advantage with this age group?" asked Scott Keeter, the director of survey research at the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan group. "The jury is still out."

How and whether millions of college students vote will help determine if Republicans win enough seats to retake the House or Senate, overturning the balance of power on Capitol Hill, and with it, Mr. Obama's agenda. If students tune out and stay home it will also carry a profound message for American society about a generation that seemed so ready, so recently, to grab national politics by the lapels and shake.

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I'm sure Gibbs would blame this on the "professional Left" but got news for the Obama Admin and the Democratic Leadership in general, look in the mirror and you will see the source of the problem.  Making promises and then caving into Right Wing bullying does not inspire anyone, young or adult, to want to join you.

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Larkspur :: NY Times: Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats

Kristin Johnson, 23, like many other students interviewed here in recent days, said that a vote for Democrats in 2008, however passionate it was, did not a Democrat make. But she bristles just as much at the idea of being called a Republican.

"It's like picking a team when you really don't want to root for either team," said Ms. Johnson, a communication studies major, who said she was undecided about parties and politics going into the general election campaign.


This attitude happens when Democrats run away from George Lakoff's framing philosophy.  Democrats have failed to advocate strongly for Democratic and Progressive values and follow through on them.  What we see is during election time, Democrats lip sync some policy positions that many voters can support, and then after getting elected the Democratic politicians run away from it because they're afraid of Glenn Beck.


Many students here, especially seniors nearing graduation, said that worries about the economy, and about getting a job after graduation, had filtered through the campus, dampening enthusiasm for Democrats in Congress and Mr. Obama.

Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon.

"There's a vibe," he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. "Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats."

A spokeswoman for the university's chapter of College Democrats, Mandi Asay, 22, said her group battled apathy on one hand and anger on the other.

"People are angry - about the budget deficit, health care plan, angry about this and that," she said. "I feel like Republicans definitely, definitely have a chance of getting back on their feet."


If young voters think that Republicans seem to care more than Democrats, then Rep. Alan Grayson is right, "Fire Robert Gibbs!"  And I would add "Fire F*cking Rahm Emanuel too!"  The White House has done a terrible job of advocating for core Democratic values both during their legislative battles as well as to the public.

If the Democrats lose one or both houses of Congress this fall, then Obama will have wasted Howard Dean's efforts to rebuild the Party from the grassroots up, and Obama, not Howard Dean and not the "professional Left", will be responsible for this setback of the Democratic Party.

I think that the Democratic Party can recover from this setback, but only if we can find leaders, like Rep. Alan Grayson, who love rallying the base and love kicking the Right Wing nutjobs where it hurts.  The Republicans, even if they win one or both Houses of Congress in November, are still in self-destruct mode

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GOP Will 'Descend Into A Brawl' Upon Taking Power: Top Strategist).

They will overreach as they have publicly stated that they have already planned on shutting down the government and will try to impeach President Obama.  Unfortunately, thousands of people, like the unemployed, the unfortunate, and our returning veterans, will suffer from this 2 year Republican hate-fest.

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Obama will be a 1 term President and Congressional Democrats will have proved Ralph Nader right -- there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

Bob Shrum to Democrats: Stop the Catfood Commission or Lose Congress


You've got that exactly right! (0.00 / 0)


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The difference between core values and tactics (4.00 / 2)
"I think that the Democratic Party can recover from this setback, but only if we can find leaders, like Rep. Alan Grayson, who love rallying the base and love kicking the Right Wing nutjobs where it hurts."

I think it's a "fool me once etc." moment for the Dems.  The soaring rhetoric in 08 has not been met with similar profound resolve in the Congress when time for action.  Voters are not amused, and I think it will be blamed on the parties, not just the candidates this time around.

Soaring rhetoric and base-rallying leaders will not necessarily help when the Democratic party has soiled itself/its brand name by drawing people closer to the fold to get their vote, and then repelling them quickly once their vote was cast.  That is a perceived betrayal/violation of trust on a profound level that will not be overcome simply by drumming up some "good leaders" and saying "Don't worry, that was then and this is now."

I tend to think that voters are going to listen much more cynically even to those who did their job well, and simplistic outsiders may win because the "change" vote on the  D  ballot did not bring change, and voters will now try a different approach.

Beware beguiling "independent" strangers with tons of media coverage who simply materialize with exactly the right message...


What the heck did you expect. (4.00 / 1)
When the democratic field got narrowed down to the two candidates 2nd and 3rd furthest to the right in the Presidential election, just what did you expect?

Let's take a look at the three candidates furthest to the right from two years ago. They were in order, Biden, Clinton and then Obama. One's the Prez, one's the VP and the last is the SoS.

Then they took one of the furthest right-wing Congresscritters and made him the Chief of Staff.

I don't know where any of you got the idea that this administration was in any way EVER progressive. It's a bunch of Dems wrapped in right-wing rhetoric willing to sell out every progressive position that we have ever had for a chance to either make the right like them(Obama) or because he really is a DINO (Rahm).

As I have said many times, especially when I was working on taking Lieberman down, given the choice of a Republican or a Dem-lite, a Republican will always vote for the Republican. We Dems on the other hand will continue to vote for GOP-lite every time. We don't find, build or fund progressives to run against them. We don't build progressive coalitions that generate the next generation, we don't plan ahead and we fight every battle as it gets brought to us rather than working on a cohesive strategy to move the country to the left.  

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
electrealdemocrats.com Online since 3/07 -- TimetogoJoe.com Online s


I think that one of the main differences is that the Right has built a network of think tanks (4.00 / 1)
that are well funded to give jobs to their up and coming and brightest stars; whereas, the Democratic and progressive movement is more into planning rallies or marches than building a long term network to nurture our brightest stars.  Our stars after college are forced to fend for themselves in the job market looking for work that may interfere with their politics, instead of having a dependable job in a think tank doing what they are good at and helping the Progressive movement grow.


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bing! (4.00 / 3)
I started writing something like this, but have been mixed up in various errands and my post is in half-finished limbo. But I am in total agreement that we do our movement a disservice by orienting ourselves around candidates as much as we do, often to the exclusion of developing and advocating for ideas.

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

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"Rhamism" by Paul Krugman (4.00 / 1)

Rahmism

Jon Cohn's post about what the administration may be considering, and what it isn't considering, makes we want to cry.

Look: early on the administration had a political theory: it would win bipartisan legislative victories, and each success would make Republicans who voted no feel left out, so that they would vote for the next initiative, and so on. (By the way, read that article and weep: "The massive resistance Republicans posed to Clinton in 1993 is impossible to imagine today." They really believed that.)


Just proves that Obama's merry band of Clintonista aides hadn't been paying attention to the Right Wing nuts and totally misjudged them.  The Rethugs are running the strategy against Obama that they had planned on running against Al Gore, if Bill Clinton had done the right thing and resigned after he was caught lying about his affair with Lewinsky.  It's the same kind of strategy that Andrew Jackson ran against John Quincy Adams -- a constant full court press of attacks belittling, undermining, and demonizing the incumbent President and his party.

One of the reasons why I love Gov. Brian Schweitzer is that he studied the Right Wing attacks and used their tactics against them but with Democratic and/or Progressive verbage.  Rep. Alan Grayson seems to have done the same thing and that's why the Rethugs and their minions howl like injured hyenas when Grayson spanks them with their tactics but using Democratic verbage.  Gov. Schweitzer and Rep. Grayson are closer to Harry Truman's type of Democrat, a street fighter, than President Obama is, and right now Democrats need to be street fighters against the Right Wing Noise Machine.

And for those of you who think Hillary would have been better, let me remind you that Obama has a large army of Clintonistas in his Admin, so I deduce that Hillary would be in the same position as Obama and could actually be worse off.  During the campaign she proved that when the chips are down, she reacts poorly.


This theory led to a strategy of playing it safe: never put forward proposals that might fail to pass, avoid highlighting the philosophical differences between the parties. There was never an appreciation of the risks of having policies too weak to do the job.

This explains the wimping out from the public option and the watering down of the stimulus bill and of course, proves Krugman has been consistantly right about what needed to be done to rescue our economy.  And it could explain why Christina Romer left the White House.  She, like Krugman, originally designed a very large stimulus package that Larry Summers never presented to President Obama.

I can understand why the people who persuaded Obama to go for the capillaries might still be claiming that they have the right strategy; bu I don't understand why Obama is still listening to them.

Wonder if he'll still listen to them if Democrats lose Congress this year?

The Republican Party is being hijacked by thugs and fascists  and the Democrats by wimps.  Of course, the Republican leadership were courting these thugs hoping to use their energy against the Democrats, but like wild predators, these thugs are devouring the hands that feed them.

Both parties need to do a house cleaning, but the Democratic Party won't be cleaned out until Progressive realize that they have to stay within the Party to reform it.


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well worth a read (0.00 / 0)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

If you move the goal posts to the right, you redefine where the center is.

Today a center-est Democrat is just barely to the left of Goldwater, and to the right of Reagan.

The sad part is, when the American people are polled on the individual issues that make up the progressive agenda, each and every one of them polls in favor of a more progressive and compassionate society.

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
electrealdemocrats.com Online since 3/07 -- TimetogoJoe.com Online s


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