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Lamont's Position on Paid Sick Leave is Unclear

by: Matt Zagaja

Sun Jul 25, 2010 at 19:27:31 PM EDT


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Ted Mann in a recent column raises a novel issue about Ned Lamont and his paid sick leave position:

Lamont's position, a key policy difference with his intra-party rival Dan Malloy, is not as clear-cut as it has sometimes sounded.

In response to a questionnaire from the Working Families Party, the key backers of the bill for the past several years, Lamont said that he would sign one version of the sick leave proposal, the one that limited the mandate to "service workers."

But in many public appearances and interviews, Lamont has seemed to suggest categorical rejection of a state law mandating sick leave for workers, while saying he could support a federal version of the law, which he believes would provide the sick leave without creating competitive disadvantages among individual states.

This has caused some concern for the Working Families Party who has taken up Paid Sick Leave as their issue:

But if Lamont's support has been there, it hasn't seemed very vocal to leaders of the Working Families Party, which has worked for several years to try to convince a deeply opposed business lobby that mandating sick leave for workers will improve worker health and productivity, and that it won't prove an onerous burden on employers.

Hours after Lamont's WNPR appearance on Friday, Jon Green, the party's state director, e-mailed some party members about the answer Lamont gave. In the e-mail, obtained by The Day, Green wrote, "Unfortunately, Ned's public statements still differ fairly dramatically with the position he articulated to the WFP on his questionnaire."

Having listened to the NPR interview cited by Mann and having read this article I too was left with the impression that Lamont no longer supports mandated paid sick days. While Ned and I can legitimately disagree on this issue I think it's important for him to a be a little more clear as to where he stands and whether he has in fact changed his mind about it.

Furthermore I think combining this with other issues such as his discussion of the elimination of the death penalty in the NBC30 debate we see what kind of leader Ned Lamont might be on these progressive issues. While he suggests he might sign legislation to eliminate the death penalty or implement paid sick days he certainly doesn't sound like he is going to be out there leading the charge on it. Maybe more of a reluctant progressive?
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It is unclear as to sick leave. Ned waffle away on the death penalty (0.00 / 0)
there seems to be some confusion as to the sick leave issue. I'm confused too. I never knew he felt it should be for service workers only. I thought based on his comments that he didn't think paid sick leave was a good idea.

On the death penalty- he said he would sign a bill  only if the legislators pass it because that would be the will of the people(not necessarily all legislation is the will of the people) Dan was vey clear "abolish it" and gave a clear answer as to why.

Any other thoughts?  

Couple of questions (0.00 / 0)
1.  Can a governor in CT sign a bill if the legislators HAVEN'T passed it?

2.  Does the governor of CT have the power to abolish the death penalty on his own?

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Power to abolish (0.00 / 0)
Chele,

I do not believe a governor can sign a bill if the legislators haven't passed it. As to your second question, I am actually uncertain. It certainly raises an interesting separation of powers issue. I will note that in 2003 Illinois Governor George Ryan unilaterally commuted the death penalty for the remaining prisoners on death row. I strongly recommend reading this powerful speech and explanation of his action.

-Matt

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Abolition (4.00 / 2)
As an opponent of the death penalty, I am quite familiar with Governor Ryan's actions and speech.

Has Dan Malloy made a public statement that he would do the same thing as Governor Ryan?  If not, does he plan to in the near future?

I was pretty sure a governor couldn't sign a bill that hasn't passed the legislature, because, well... how could he possibly?  If the lege didn't pass a bill, it wouldn't be on the governor's desk for signature, would it?  But bhogan seemed to be saying otherwise:  "he said he would sign a bill only if the legislators pass it."  I thought perhaps she knew something.

On the other hand, Lamont said he WILL sign a bill to abolish the death penalty if the legislature passes it.  Doesn't that mean he'd abolish the death penalty?  So isn't that whole discussion kind of... well... stupid and willfully misleading?

And if a CT Governor can't abolish the death penalty on his own power, wouldn't Dan Malloy have to wait for the legislature to deliver a bill abolishing the death penalty for his signature?   How is his statement that he would abolish the death penalty any different than Lamont's -- except that Lamont's statement was seemingly reality-based?  


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re: abolition (0.00 / 0)
I am not sure if Dan has made specific statements about whether or not he'd take a similar action. I imagine doing so would touch a rather blurry space in the separation of powers and would not be the ideal way of making it a reality.

That being said, the Governor has political capital and the ability to serve as a leader on these types of issues. To work with legislative leaders and try and implement a certain agenda. I believe that this is an issue Dan would be willing to spend political capital on, while Lamont is more indifferent towards the issue.

So the difference between the two is Dan would take the lead on it while Ned would merely let it happen if it happens. It is up to each person to decide if this matters to them, but I'm glad Dan is willing to be out there on this issue.

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Indifference (0.00 / 0)
On what specifically do you base your claim that Ned is "indifferent" to the death penalty?  How do you know he wouldn't take the lead on it, once in office?  
Are you making assumptions?
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The NBC30 Debate (0.00 / 0)
It's what I recall from the NBC30 debate, though if I might be wrong, feel free to correct me.

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Sorry (4.00 / 1)
I don't waste my time on the campaign soapboxes that pass for "debates."

Dan says he'll "abolish" the death penalty and you believe he'll spend political capital on it.  Given the current mood in Hartford he'd have to spend a whole lot.  Will he spend his capital on the death penalty before he spends it on paid sick days?  Would he spend it before he convinces the lege to put $15 million into tourism, after the Democrats reduced the tourism budget to $1.00 of their own accord?   Will he spend capital on it before he goes to bat for farms?  Will he spend political capital on the death penalty before he spends it on education, jobs, tax reform, transportation and the environment?

Dan has promised a lot, and you must believe that if he's elected he's going to arrive in Hartford towing a veritable Fort Knox of political doubloons.  Because it's either that or he's going to have to prioritize his promises to bring them more in line with the legislature and the population.  I'm betting a few things of greater urgency will come up before the death penalty issue.

I'm sorry to say that there will be no pony, so I'm supporting the guy who has a realistic idea of what the people want, what he can get, and how to go about it... not the guy who's promising me he's going to give me a unicorn because he thinks that will get my vote.

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I'll tell you what (0.00 / 0)
If Dan wins the governorship and the death penalty isn't eliminated before he leaves office, I owe you a beer.  

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I don't drink beer (0.00 / 0)
so you're off the hook on paying up -- unless you've got a unicorn.
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death penalty (0.00 / 0)
the answer  to  no. 1 is no and the answer to number 2 is no-in CT, the powers are with the Pardon board. Unlike other states.

I'm sorry if I was confusing and reading back to my post I certainly was. What i meant to say, is Malloy didn't hesitate based on his personal experiences as a prosecutor that it is his positon- no death penalty whereas Lamont was more I'll sign a bill because it "would be the will of the people"- I do  not necessarily think that legislation equals the will or the people and (2) he seemed weaker in what his position is/ "like I had no choice, it was the will of the people"

The only additional comment(since I think we should be talking about paid sick leave-my bad) I have is, Oh crap I forgot.  

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Oh know I remember (0.00 / 0)
Is being against the death penalty a progressive issue? Maybe not.
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It's a human and a moral issue (4.00 / 1)
and a very serious one.   I resent people taking stands on important issues because they think it will attract votes from a particular segment of the voting populace.   Reducing the death penalty to a "progressive issue" as you are doing is really rather belittling, not only to "progressives" but certainly to those waiting for a lethal injection or a jolt of electricity.  

And the fact that you just asked that question should leads us all to wonder:  if being PRO-death penalty was a "progressive" issue, would Dan be for it in order to get the progressive vote?  

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Again, not taking sides in Gov race but . . . (4.00 / 1)
Malloy put out strong opinions for abolishing the death penalty when State Rep Gary Holder Winfield was working to get the votes last year, and has held the strong stance for some years.  It was unprecedented that Gary succeeded in getting the legislature to pass this, and Malloy helped - this is not an issue purely for campaign purposes, I don't believe.  It was a terrible shame that Rell vetoed it.

Both Ned and Dan would sign the bill into law when the leg passes this again.

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The Pardon Board (0.00 / 0)
can abolish the death penalty???
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Lets go to the videotape (4.00 / 3)

QUESTION: Given the horrific murders of women and children in our state, as well as the continued attempted acts of terrorism in our nation, why would you, as Governor oppose the death penalty.

MALLOY: It is a real dilemma for so many people living in the state of CT.

You know Ron, I am a former prosecutor, that I tried 23 felony cases with convictions in 22 of those cases...four of those cases were homicides. I also tired a homicide as a defense attorney.

If I believed that there was a relationship between having the death penalty and falling murder rates, then I would have to re-think my position. But having studied this very hard, and having really prayed about it and thought about it, I believe it's not the role of government to put people to death.

I also know because I studied this issue, that we made many mistakes over our history and that this form of punishment is in fact applied to black individuals, hispanic individuals, poor individuals more frequently then it is to other individuals. When you have that type of question, raising real racial concerns, I think we're also better off without it.

I want to say very clear however, that my heart goes out to people who have suffered a loss in their own families, and I pray for you as well

Malloy's response wasn't clear in regards to "abolish it", as that was not the question. He stated his opposition to the death penalty.

Although not asked in the question, Lamont replied in the same manner he has when asked about the death penalty...he would sign the bill the governor vetoed if it hit his desk as the bill expressed the will of the GA, which is (suppose) to represent the will of the state (such as the law that made gay marriage legal).


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Ned and paid sick leave... (0.00 / 0)

 I am on record as strongly in favor of Ned Lamont for Governor and for sick days for all. Every progressive, especially those running for office, has to decide what their ratio of progressivism/pragmatism will be. Does one stay absolutely ideologically pure,( and likely go down in flames), or does one leaven their stances with some pragmatism and hope to win and make some changes. The tension is omnipresent.

 A possibility is that each camp may be taking a position on this issue for pragmatic political reasons. As the frontrunner Ned may be looking ahead to the general. In my view paid sick leave for all would be a very tough sell to the electorate. It is a sad fact that many, if not most of the folks who would directly benefit from this legislation, will not be casting ballots. People with money vote... seniors vote... professionals vote...union members vote but I have always understood that the poor and working poor have low turnout. Malloy for his part may be staking out positions to  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

whoops... (0.00 / 0)

accidentally hit post button...more to follow

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
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Paid sick leave... part 2 (0.00 / 0)

Malloy for his part may be staking out positions to try to woo activists to catch Ned in the primary. As someone else pointed out here, Dan Malloy never pushed this issue as Mayor of Stamford. However this is just hypothicising on my part.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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Stamford City employees were offered paid sick leave (0.00 / 0)
I don't know where the rumor that Malloy didn't offer paid sick leave to city employees originated from--but it does not seem to be true. You can read the union contracts for yourself and see that stamford city employees were offered paid sick leave:

page 9 police officer contract:

page 16 firefighter's contract

page 12 teamsters contract

page 11 UAW contract

page 16 1199 contract:

page 20 custodians contract

page 5 dental hygienists contract

page 7 Municipal Supervisory Employees union contract

page 12 nurses contract

If you click here, you can find the teacher's union contracts (controlled by the Board of Education, of course) and see they were offered paid sick leave, too.

I believe it's true that part-time subcontractor bus drivers in Stamford were not given paid sick leave--but subcontractors are not city employees. I don't think we can use this to show that Malloy is less progressive than Lamont since we don't know if Lamont offered paid sick leave to part-time subcontractors who worked for his company.

It is standard practice for companies not to offer paid sick leave to part-time subcontractors--that's the whole reason companies hire subcontractors. In 2006, I was a full-time employee who got full benefits...now, 4 years later, I work for the same company as part-time subcontractor and get NO benefits--not even a paid lunch hour. It's not an issue for me since I get benefits through my husband's job. If benefits were the biggest issue for me, I would be applying for a full-time job but I'm not because I want to spend more time at home with my young child.

Again, I don't think the issue of part-time bus subcontractors can be used against Malloy unless we also know how Lamont treated his part-time subcontractors and we don't know that. The question is not "Is Malloy as progressive as we wish him to be?" The question is, "Is Malloy more progressive than Lamont?" In my view, he is. Do you know of any single policy on which Lamont is more progressive than Malloy? If so, please share.  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison

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Sufi... (0.00 / 0)

I would fully expect that municipal workers would receive paid sick days. What I was referencing was the comment that was made that Malloy didn't seem to champion the " concept" of sick days for all... I would venture that all state and municipal workers get a compliment of paid sick days. The legislation being promoted by WFP seeks this right for all...dishwashers,fast food workers, health care workers, etc...

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
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more on malloy and paid sick leave (0.00 / 0)
Malloy addressed the issue of "paid sick leave for all" when the legislation was in the General Assembly. During his tenure as mayor, he offered paid sick leave to full time city employees.

However, the legislation, which Malloy supports and Lamont opposes does not cover many part-time employees--so it's really not "paid sick leave for ALL". The legislation is progressive--in the sense that it covers full-time employees but it is not as progressive as we would like since it excludes many part-time employees.

You can read the text of the legislation here.

Did Ned Lamont offer his part-time employees paid sick leave? Unless we know that, we can't fairly compare him to Malloy.

Again, the question is not 'Is Dan Malloy as progressive as we wish him to be?' I would like him to be as progressive as Dennis Kucinich--but he's not. If he were, he would have never gotten elected mayor in a Fairfield County city. The question is: "Is Dan Malloy more progressive than Ned Lamont?'. I believe the answer is yes. Ned Lamont opposes legislation that requires businesses over 50 employees to provide paid sick leave to full-time employees. Dan Malloy supports this legislation. Thus, Malloy is more progressive on this issue than Lamont.  


"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison

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Full time employees were (0.00 / 0)
Many part-time, including a majority of all library employees, did not receive paid sick time.  

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part-time workers (0.00 / 0)
Isn't it a "strategy" to turn full-time positions into part-time positions in order to avoid paying benefits such as paid sick time?  

Were the library employees full-time before Dan became Mayor?  Were the same number of total library hours that were covered by full-time employees then covered by part-time employees?  Did Mayor Malloy ever look into extending paid sick time to those part-time employees, or suggest that it be done?

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Progressive..... (3.00 / 1)
When was the last time a "progressive" Democrat was elected governor?

I get lost in all this policy nonsense, isn't the point of a campaign to win first and then govern?  If someone can tell me how Dan could possibly compete against Foley with only $3 million, then perhaps I'll listen to all this pablum.  

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Most,if not all of of those contracts was in place BEFORE (0.00 / 0)
Malloy became Mayor and as Mayor Malloy did everything in his power to DECREASE those Benefits.
[ Parent ]
Death penalty (0.00 / 0)
I'm FOR it. Does that make me a non-progressive?

Actually I'm against and for it. Just as I am against and for life-in-prison.

I like to ask people who claim that they are against the death penalty what they are for as a maximum punishment for those that can not be let back into a free society. In general I hear them always say "life in prison." That to me is cruel and inhumane.

I have always proposed that the only answer is to let the accused state their preference. Option 1, the state will execute you. Option 2, you will be incarcerated until you die of natural causes. While both are cruel, by offering the convicted a choice you eliminate the inhumane portion.

No person should have no choice in their future, and those that do harm to society should have a choice as to whether they should die now or die after a permanent confinement. There is no option that they be permitted to live with the rest of mankind as they have shown that they can not do so and participate within society and follow the rules.

If I were under 30 and was told that I would live the rest of my life confined to a 6x10 cell with minimal nourishment to keep my body functional, I would most likely choose to end my life. To force me to spend 30-50 years living in a 6x10 cell with minimal nourishment would be beyond cruel and inhumane.  

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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Creative answer (0.00 / 0)
Let the convicted decide option 1 or option 2.
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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
I had to struggle with the issue when I was running for Congress. At the time the 3-strikes law was all the rage and it was time to get harsh with crime. But, as I pointed out at the time, most crime is a result of poverty.

There are some crimes that are not. Those crimes are generally those that bring about the harshest treatments. When you look at a Ted Bundy, or a Charles Manson, you feel a need to ensure that they are never released back to civil society.

Then you are faced with the hardest choice of all. What to do with them. Since I believe that both of the remaining options are cruel and inhumane, I determined long ago that I can do nothing about the cruel part.In some cases society has to be cruel to one to protect the innocent. But that the humane option as something that could be addressed by letting the guilty decide which of the options they would prefer. Thus they would choose that which is most humane to them.


The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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Death Penalty (0.00 / 0)
Met,

I certainly don't expect you (or Ned) to agree with every position that might be traditionally associated with progressivism. We are in fact, all individuals. As a law student, I am well aware of the way our justice system works and I am also well aware that we do not get things right 100% of the time. When we take someone's life away from them there is no do over.

As far as what to do with those we cannot rehabilitate, that's an issue a bit beyond me. I'm not an expert on prisons and dealing with criminals, and have not really read enough to give you an informed opinion on that matter.

-Matt


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Errors get made (0.00 / 0)
and if an error was made the convicted would be able to say "I want to stay alive and fight for my freedom."

The State should not kill someone without their direct consent. As you point out, there is no going back once they are dead. Thus my option alternative. Let the convicted decide.

We can not rehabilitate the Ted Bundy's and Charles Manson's of this world. They should be provided the option which they determine is most humane to them.

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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Lamont not sold on paid sick leave (3.00 / 3)
From CT News Junkie:

Ned Lamont, the Greenwich cable executive, who is exploring a run for governor recently said  he would not support a bill that requires businesses to pay its employees sick time. The statement drew immediate criticism from labor unions and one of his Democratic opponents.

Former Stamford Mayor Dan Malloy said Monday that Lamont, "doesn't get it."

"There are certain basic rights that should be afforded to any working person in Connecticut, and paid sick leave is certainly among them," Malloy said. "It's wrong that we would penalize workers - salaried or on hourly wage - for being ill."

But Lamont, who runs a small business with less than 50 employees, isn't sold on the idea.

Joe Abbey, Lamont's campaign manager, said Tuesday that his candidate is only opposed to the idea for businesses with fewer than 50 employees.

"It's just so hard for them to compete," Abbey said. "We should leave this to the free market."

Abbey said Lamont is concerned a bill that requires paid sick leave would put Connecticut's small businesses at a competitive disadvantage.

This year's paid sick day bill raised by the legislature's Labor Committee only applies to businesses with 50 or more employees.

Given that the legislation specifically exempts businesses with fewer than 50 employees, it's disappointing that Lamont would not voice a strong support of the legislation.  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison

Legislative Process 101 (4.00 / 2)
Sufi, the bill that was passed out of the Labor committee was never going to see the light of day, that's why Prague had the amendment drafted -- the very same amendment that would have restricted paid sick leave to certain public health certifications.

And, if you've ever spent a day in Hartford when the legislature is in session, you'd know how fast "50 employees" could become "10 employees".

Lastly, does any reasonable person think that paid sick leave is a priority for the general electorate?  Again, isn't this whole back-and-forth headache just a distraction from getting behind the candidate that can actually win?

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I uprated (4.00 / 2)
Please stop downrating anything you don't agree with - there is nothing wrong with Sufi's post.
[ Parent ]
Ridiculous arguments... (4.00 / 2)
I might as well try to claim that Malloy is more interested in paid sick days than in creating jobs via a competitive small business environment.

Ned is pretty clearly on the record that he's for family-friendly employment. But he's also clear that he doesn't think this is the rich time to pass new employer mandates. (I probably agree with him.)

But using this as a wedge issue to question Ned's progressivism? Get real!

The issue is apparently being recycled. (0.00 / 0)

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
Very puzzling why this got FP'd
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Appearances (0.00 / 0)

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well (0.00 / 0)
speaking of appearances, what happened to ctkeith's diary today? (not specifically asking you, chele, just the, uh, wind...)

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffet
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wish I did know (0.00 / 0)

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Purge (4.00 / 1)
one diary by ctkeith + 2 entire entities --- notcho and snorwich no longer exist.

This is not the same site it used to be.  

"I am not a Blogger...But I play one on the internet."

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purged by whom? (0.00 / 0)

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I don't know ask the community board. (0.00 / 0)

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I wouldn't expect you to know (0.00 / 0)
But really, thanks for all you've contributed to the drama around here.
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How can they no longer exist? can they make comments? (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
Tessa (0.00 / 0)
When you start your own blog, you will be able to purge it as you please.

Where, oh where, is the pro-Malloy, centrist Democrat, old-fashioned party machine, back-room deal-making blog where the notchos and snorwich can roam free??

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I am uncomfortable... (4.00 / 1)

with notcho and snorwich being purged... just as I was when lakezoarian was erased.  

 The diary by ctkeith I thought was perhaps self censored.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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did notcho and snorwich remove their postings themselves? (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
If they did... (0.00 / 0)

that's fine... if they didn't perhaps we could know who did.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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backroom voices (0.00 / 0)

A little birdie tells me that notcho (Member #344) and snorwich (Member #569) did not self-mutilate.

PS I am Member # 362. Signed up on Mon May 29, 2006 after about 4 months of lurking.

In comparison (not that it matters), here is a more recent member:
Username:   CTBullMoose
PersonId: 61180
Created: Tue Jul 13, 2010 at 21:04:53 PM EDT

"I am not a Blogger...But I play one on the internet."

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