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Derogatory Dan

by: BranfordBoy

Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 00:16:59 AM EDT


(The founder of MLN speaks!! - promoted by ctblogger)

If Malloy suporters want to know why people are abandoning their candidate for Ned Lamont, they need only peruse this:

We've received a ton of responses to our 'why Ned won't debate Dan' contest, and put them below.  If you haven't already - make sure to put your submission up on facebook - we will be picking the winners this Friday!

Stefan Lupu

Because he's cornered already and he doesn't know where the fire escape is located.

Jeff Quamme

Because, like many from Fairfield County, he thinks New London is irrelevant

Jacqueline Apted

his horoscope told him not to debate anyone with the same amount of letters in their name?

Penny Truglia-Carbajal

he's chicken

David Daveylove Price

Because he's working on his speech as an independent candidate.

Ryan McKeen

Because Ned's money can't buy courage.

James Liska

Because he knows everyone else has seen the Manchurian Candidate as well.

It goes on. And on. And this is after the Malloy campaign edited out the obscenities!

But so far, it's worked wonders. It sure helped convince my wife to switch from Malloy to Lamont. My guess is it will have the same effect on many others.

These, then, are Malloy's supporters. This is the tone Dan Malloy seeks to bring to Connecticut politics. This illustrates just what a "class act" an increasingly desperate Dan Malloy has become. It's actually kind of sad.

(BTW, I wonder how many of the people represented here will take Spazeboy's pledge to support the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be.)

Lamont supporters should share this link with everyone they know.

http://danmalloy.com/blogs/dan...
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Who's BrandfordBoy? (0.00 / 0)
Just kidding.

Got this email from the Lamont campaign


SNIP

Below is a line-by-line response to the first negative ad of the 2010 Democratic gubernatorial campaign:

Claim: "This year's race for governor is a critical choice but my opponent refuses to debate."

Fact: Ned and Dan have appeared together at more than 30 debates and forums, including two statewide televised debates, and they will be appearing together next week in Windham. If Dan felt it was so important to launch these attacks face to face rather than resort to false negative ads, he has had more than ample opportunity.

Claim: "So here are the facts: I have a proven record of creating jobs, lowering crime, cleaning up government."

Fact:

  • Stamford lost thousands of jobs during Malloy's tenure as Mayor and the unemployment rate went up (SOURCE:http://www.courant.com/community/stamford/hc-malloy-jobs-0628-20100628,0,480540.story)
  • As reported this evening by the Hartford Courant, three of Malloy's city employees were charged with stealing nearly $400,000 from the city of Stamford. Malloy named two of the employees "Employee of the Month," joining one of them in a celebratory photo. (SOURCE: http://www.courant.com/news/co... PHOTO: http://www.stamfordadvocate.co...

Claim: "I Have A Real Plan to Put People Back to Work"

Fact: Tell that to than thousands of people in Stamford who lost their jobs during Malloy's reign as Mayor!

Claim: My opponent doesn't have that experience, in fact he reduced his employees by more than 70% while paying himself a huge salary. Don't you think CEO's behaving that way is what messed up our economy in the first place? I'm Dan Malloy and I approve this message.

Fact: The decline in Lamont Digital's work force resulted mostly from the company's decision to sell off some pieces of the company in the early 2000's. Lamont personally worked to ensure that every employee affected was taken care of.  Many employees kept their jobs, joining the new owners of the cable system they worked for, some took compensation packages, and others started their own businesses with Lamont's help.

Joe Lieberman made exactly the same false claim in 2006, and the Hartford Courant debunked his attack, saying Lieberman played "loose with the facts in a commercial attacking Lamont's business ethics."
(SOURCE: http://articles.courant.com/20...

SNIP


The *real* big dog returns (4.00 / 1)


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Pledge? (0.00 / 0)
The campaign reflects the candidate, and Malloy's campaign is a nasty piece of business -- and it's getting worse every day.  Dan Malloy doesn't deserve my vote.  He won't get it on primary day, and if he's the Democratic candidate, he won't get it on election day.  
Malloy jumps the shark. (4.00 / 3)
In a private e-mail I was asked to scale back my pointing out that there was a large amount of, what I feel, are poor debate and discussion modes. In another e-mail I was accused of being and I quote "a shill for Lamont" in attacking Malloy supporters.

Now, my manner got a bit rough, and maybe rougher than it should have been, but I stand by what I replied to one person that wrote me privately, and what I have said publicly. I don't have a boat in this race, but I do want to ensure that whomever walks out the winner is not so damaged that they are cost the General.

I have seen a great deal of attacking on MLN. I have even seen people like Jon taken aback as much as I was by the style and methods that have been used by some.

But the content of the initial post says that the supporters of Mr. Malloy on here are doing nothing that is not more than an echo of the style and type of campaign that Mr. Malloy has decided to run.

I have to ask Sufi, Mattz, and others that support Malloy, is this what you support? This style and type of campaign? Do you find the promotion of these personal attacks an acceptable policy for the Malloy campaign to engage in?

To Dan's supporters. "Because Ned's money can't buy courage." If that was said on MLN, would you be supportive of it? Would you rate that a "4"? Is that something your proud to hear someone say about another Democrat? Now, how do you feel that that statement was promoted on Dan Malloy's web site? Does that make you feel good about the candidate that you support? Is there something here that seems acceptable for ANY candidate to post on their website about their opponent in a primary?

When you get past talking about the DLC, and who supports whom, debates and such and look at the style and substance of what the Malloy campaign is promoting as acceptable on HIS website, it looks to me like Dan didn't learn a great deal from Stefano in a dress. This is who Dan seems to be. It is he who decides how he wants to campaign (I decided how I wanted to Campaign, I'm sure Jon did the same). He is the candidate and this says what he feels is fair game. Is it what you, his supporters on MLN feel is the proper way to run a campaign?

MLK said you don't measure a man by the colour of his skin, but by the content of his character (it was how he wanted his children to be measured). This is the content of Dan Malloy's character. This was done with his forethought, his knowledge and his blessings. It is his campaign, and he owns this style and form. This is his message.

It's not about debates. It is about character. Four years ago, when his back was against the wall, Dan showed character flaws. Flaws that he said were an anomaly and he apologized for them. Four years later we see those flaws in his character again exposed as he again runs an underdog campaign.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." - George H.W. Bush 2002

It's about content of character. The berating I did earlier in the month was about people that I thought I knew from these forums acting in ways that were out of the ways of the content of character for how we discuss things in this forum. I said that I was concerned that this was not an issue of one-offs here on MLN, but that it was about a message of what was acceptable. That the things that were being done were not acceptable and should be stopped. I expressed a concern that this unacceptable style and message was being done from the top down. This latest act, an act of desperation by a campaign that is in a tailspin and doing "anything" it can to increase their opponents negatives, is unacceptable. Using the "shoe on the other foot" metaphor, none of Dan's supporters would find this acceptable if Lamont was doing it to Dan, it is not acceptable by the Malloy campaign.

The acts of this campaign have shown that it's leader is NOT ready to lead. That he didn't learn anything four years ago, and that he is willing to resort to "anything to win" even ignoring the potential damage it will do to the other candidate should he win and be the selection of the party in the General.

With this single act, like putting your opponent in a dress, Dan has driven his campaign off the cliff, and has also jumped the shark.

Please. Malloy supporters, tell me what he did is defensible and why he should get support from anyone on here.


The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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How can you admit being "rough" (1.00 / 1)
and then claim you were taken aback by the style and methods?  I believe Jon was taken aback by the tone here, but you?  I'm not buying it.
[ Parent ]
Colin,s to Wit mentions MLN in her last blog about JOhn D and Lamont. You folks are noted as rabid lamont supports. I don't know but it is the same old (0.00 / 1)

Oh I get it... (0.00 / 0)
Ignore the content of the post and just hurl insults. And of course there's that convenient 30 min gap between this comment and the one from the other rabid Malloy "supporter" who whines about this site losing credibility because someone would dare say something about his/her candidate.


[ Parent ]
REALLY,Colin Did? (0.00 / 0)
Have you ever met Colin,She's a real Fox!!
[ Parent ]
except (0.00 / 0)
You folks are noted as rabid lamont supports

Well, you know... except for those folks here who aren't.

That Colin, sometimes she just gets it wrong.

[ Parent ]
Kind of interesting (4.00 / 2)
Because my anecdotal data seems to point to people switching to Dan.

If you want to dredge up campaign mud to sling campaign mud at least be up front about your own bias.

And as far as the Spazeboy pledge, note that every single Malloy supporter here who posted in Spazeboy's diary unconditionally pledged to support the winner of the primary. Read the so called "pledges" of the Ned supporters for contrast.

BTW:
My pledge remains unconditional and that is factoring in that I have completely lost all respect for Ned's campaign.

And keep in mind, if Ned wins the primary, it's going to be a long slow mud strewn slog to election day because the Republicans are going to have a field day with him. And we know from past experience that Ned doesn't do well in the spotlight. All his money won't fix that frozen Deer in the headlights look he gets and you know what I'm talking about. He's going to need all the help and luck he can get.

I will work to get Ned elected if he wins the primary. Will you pledge to do the same for Dan?

I think it is precious... (4.00 / 2)

 the way you pledge to support Ned if he prevails and in the same breath trash him.  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
Thank you (3.00 / 1)
I busted my ass in 2006 to get Ned elected and he won here in both the primary and general and not a whole lot of towns can brag about that.

And Ned was the same lightweight in 2006 as he is now. Sorry if that offends you. But I considered lightweight Ned the better choice in 2006 and against anything the Republicans can dredge up, lightweight Ned would still be the better choice this cycle and race, if that is where we're going after the primary.

I realize none of you get it, or ever will get it, but I do want the best people we can get for the State Government. And that desire means you have to make judgement calls and tradeoffs.

Do you understand judgement call?

[ Parent ]
Don't worry about... (4.00 / 3)

offending me... worry about embarrassing yourself. To brand the person who invested his time and treasure in 2006, to give many of us a voice in a cause we passionately believed in, a lightweight; is a travesty. Whether at CCSU, the Kennedy Center, Central America or numerous other venues, Ned Lamont has been immersed in policy studies. He has shown himself to be a heavyweight in intellect and integrity. To brand him a lightweight because he doesn't come across like a slick and canned career politician is shallow on your part. Don't lecture me on judgement.  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
No, I'm not embarrased... (3.00 / 1)
Ned Lamont was a lightweight CANDIDATE. Ned didn't have anything beyond the war in his tool kit - not to diminish what he did bring to the table, but his inability to connect with the party structure, speak to more general state issues, build consensus, build a support network and articulate how he was going to support the party meant he went into the general without the critical support he was going to need. Ned was unable to connect with that segment he needed to connect with, the party. Ned was unable to close. Either the primary or the general. ...Not just my perceptions but that of some in the the campaign. Ned promised a lot. And you know what? here we are again, just like August 2006.

However, I'm glad you mentioned the "policy studies" and Ned being immersed in "policy studies" - isn't that what career politicians do? Create policy study committees? To study policy and write a report and then go on to the next policy study? Yeah, I'm in the middle of several of those too.

Enjoy your sanctimony.

[ Parent ]
So you're not embarrassed... (4.00 / 1)

 permit me to be embarrassed for you. I love the way you try to have it both ways. You contradictorily and hypocritically say you do not wish to diminish what Ned brought to the table in '06; but that thoroughly disingenuous statement is sandwiched between statements that do exactly that. If you have issues with some of the Lamont supporters here, that is one thing; but your constant denigrating of Ned Lamont, who you worked so hard for in the past is baffling to me.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
The only thing I'm embarrased about (0.00 / 0)
is clicking Post on several missives that the intended recipients were never going to understand, so all I was doing was rubbing their noses in their own... It happens.

If I thought it would be worth the effort I'd lay out why I'm supporting who I'm supporting and why I can't support Ned in the primary. Again, if he wins the primary he will have my unconditional support. But he isnt even the fourth on my list for Governor. My opinion is that Mary Glassman would make a better Governor than Ned and she's fourth. Actually it would probably be a tossup between Susan B and Mary but thaqt's a different issue. And as you can see it's impossile to write stuff like this without sounding incendary - so there's no point to doing it.

I'll repeat what I said. I will support Ned if he wins the primary. No conditions, no ifs ands or buts.

However as far as this community goes, I'm done. I don't bring anything of value to the discussions here.

[ Parent ]
Another driven away. (0.00 / 0)
It's a shame to see another person leaving.
[ Parent ]
Listen here... (4.00 / 2)

 If every time I opened my mouth around here and I insulted Malloy, I would fully expect his supporters to answer. Driven away, my ass.  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
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Done, not leaving (0.00 / 0)
However, baiting the thugs, is so tempting.

But that's not productive. So I"ll drop a 4 here and there and leave it at that.

May the fours be with you.

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notcho... (4.00 / 1)

 I understand your position perfectly. You feel that Dan Malloy would make a better Governor than Ned Lamont. You also maintain that you will support Ned if he is the eventual nominee. Got it. But every time you reiterate your stance, you feel the need to belittle Lamont. That is your right; but it is my right to defend my guy from your insults. In the above comments you ridiculed Ned as a deer caught in the headlights and repeatedly called him a lightweight. Your bullshit of pledging support should he win and at the same time knifing him with your putdowns will get called out by me every single time. If you and snorwich wish to make you some sort of a martyr, enjoy your pity party.
 

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
You still can't refute Notcho's point (3.00 / 1)
that all Malloy supporters here made the pledge to support the nominee unconditionally, but the same can't be said for all Lamont supporters here.
[ Parent ]
Snorwich, I'll vote for the Democrat (3.00 / 1)
(even if it's Jarjura, ugh)

But will I give time, money, an otherwise commit myself?

If Dan Malloy is the nominee, I would certainly like to! But as I've said before, character counts. And if Team Malloy decides to reprise the ugliness which was "DeStefano in a dress" -- ???

If that happens don't expect to see me at any Malloy events. And that bumpersticker? You can keep it!

[ Parent ]
Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
Jarjura, ugh, but I will do what ever I can with the limited time and resources I have to help the Democratic nominee win the governorship. Period. No conditions or caveats.
[ Parent ]
That's the price of negative campaigning (0.00 / 0)
And nobody was arguing with Notcho's point.  

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My votes is based in issues not tactics or personalities (4.00 / 2)
I'm basing my vote on which candidate is more progressive on the issues and which candidate is best qualified to lead our state--everything else is secondary.

Malloy supports a system of progressive taxation. Ned Lamont doesn't. Malloy supports paid sick leave and if you read Stamford City union contracts, you can see that stamford employees were offered paid sick leave.. Ned Even though he provided his employees paid sick leave (don't know if he provided it to part-time subcontractors) Lamont has consistently spoken out against a statewide policy mandating paid sick leave He has claimed it would hurt small businesses even though the legislation proposed specifically exempts business with less than 50 employees. Paid sick leave is not an unfair mandate on business, it is GOOD for business and leads to a more productive workforce.

I agree with Malloy's plan for tourism in CT and believe Lamont's aversion to spending on tourism is "penny wise and pound foolish" since an investment on tourism pays for himself.

I also think Lamont is unrealistic if he believes that the budget deficit can be solved with spending cuts alone. Lamont talks about not raising taxes and cutting spending--and I think his exclusive focus on spending cuts could really hurt CT families who depend on vital public services.

On his website Ned says:

Imagine one of our top manufacturers wants to hire 100 people and open a factory in Torrington to capitalize on its latest breakthrough-the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) can take a year to grant approvals. By the time the facility is approved and built, the invention may no longer be cutting-edge, and China may be on the brink of producing it at half the price.
--l will accelerate the approval process at DEP. Across government, I will hire first-class managers and institute efficient, lean processes, the same our top businesses already employ.

In light of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, do we really want to speed up the approval process at the Dept of Environmental Protection? China may take the business--but China has a pretty poor environmental record and so maybe China OUGHT to have some kind of better DEP-type approval process.

It sounds like Ned Lamont wants to loosen environmental regulations to attract more business to CT. That's not a progressive position!!!

Regarding Malloy's jobs claims, I think it's ridiculous to blame Dan Malloy for the job losses created as a result of the BUSH recession.

I don't always approve of Malloy's campaign tactics--but I understand that politics is a rough and tumble game and if you are going to participate you have to be able to take the shots.

I'm basing my vote on ACTUAL ISSUES--issues that progressives are supposed to care about--issues like progressive taxation, the environment, and so on.

I give Lamont a lot of credit for standing up to Joe four year ago--but I don't think that alone entitles him to the governorship nor am I just going to vote for him because he "has the money to win". I'm going to vote for the candidate who I believe is most progressive ON THE ISSUES, and that candidate is Dan Malloy.

Whenever I hear Dan Malloy speak, I hear a DEMOCRAT. Whenever I hear Ned Lamont use his anti-tax, cut spending rhetoric, I HEAR MODERATE NEW ENGLAND GOP--who are typically liberal on social issues and fiscally conservative and pro-corporate.

I'm not going to vote for the less progressive candidate, Ned Lamont, over what silly contest appears on Dan Malloy's facebook page or his campaign blog!!!! That's so dumb.

This diary is an effort to turn the trivial into a macro-issue and macro-issues (like Malloy's tourism plan, agricultural plan) are relegated to the side bar.

WHO ARE THE PRO-MALLOY FRONT PAGERS? How many times does a diary need to get recommended before it gets promoted to the front page? How many comments does it need before it gets promoted to the front page? It seems that it's a lot harder for pro-Malloy diaries to get promoted to the front page? I'm disappointed that a diary with such an inflammatory subject heading would get promoted to the front page. Maybe, I should entitle a diary "Greenwich millionaire attempts to buy election" and fill it with the kind of nonsense in this diary and see if it gets front-paged...

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison

This diary actually contains a lot of anti-Ned/pro-Malloy content (4.00 / 3)
The bulk of it is lifted directly from the Malloy campaign website.

|Spazeboy.net|Spazeboy's Guide to Political Videoblogging|
[ Parent ]
YOu're funny- its ok for you to be anti-Dan 24/7 anyone pro-dan to you is simply unacceptable (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
fair enough (0.00 / 0)
now, can you tell me who the pro-Malloy front pagers are?  

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."--James Madison
[ Parent ]
Sufi the delusional (2.75 / 8)
It's sad to see a MLN member turn completely into a rabid  Malloy soundbite minus any original content or substance.

And of course, there's her continued whining about "where are the Malloy frontpagers" although there's been equal, if not more, content on Malloy, including coverage of Malloy's presser and live video streams (here, here, here, here", here, etc ), numerous one on one interviews (here and here), guest posts from Dan himself, and ORIGINAL THOUGHTFUL critiques on Lamont/Glassman's policies as well as comments on Lamont opting out of the debates....ALL OF WHICH WERE ON THE FRONTPAGE.

Unfortunately, "Sufi" is suffering from a case of tone-deafness and has let her bias blid her from the reality of the situation. For instance, a quick glance at recent posts from "Sufi" are devoid of any original thought (, here, here)...I guess in "Sufi's" bizzaro world, these posts, which are nothing more than a complete regurgitation of a reporter's work with a "Dan is great" ending, are worthy of FP status.

I don't know what's worse, "Sufi's" baseless claims about bias on this site, the fact that "Sufi" has lost the ability to write something with a shred of original thought, or the fact that my level of respect for "Sufi" is in the toilet.

[ Parent ]
Hope you'll call out someone from the other side (2.00 / 2)
just to avoid the appearance of bias.

Having the keyholder of MLN calling a member delusional, living in bizarro world, and whatever inferences can be drawn from his post is certainly beneath his exalted status.

 People have been asking you to step in for a couple of weeks to clip the wings of a few members here who do abuse their status here, but you're trashing Sufi and suggesting she take a time-out?  I hope a public flogging for ctkeith and mattw are forthcoming.

[ Parent ]
Ah, the other side... (4.00 / 1)
...as opposed to a MLN member who baseless claims about MLN being pro-Malloy were debunk to death.

Maybe you're too tone deaf but as I've clearly stated, I've been quite vocal on and off line on people on both sides who have gone over the line (which AGAIN is why you don't see 200+ back and forth threads).

Maybe a public trashing for people who contribute nothing but pro-this or anti-that while not contributing a post to this site in years is in order. Can you think of anyone who would be on top of the list?

[ Parent ]
It's a shame (4.00 / 1)
It's a terrible shame that I have not published any content since 2008.  That's the price of being the sole provider and having a job.  Am I whining? Nope. Just stating the facts.  I have always read MLN since I joined, even during times that I wasn't posting any comments.  I just wanted to stay informed, and I was always able to get some good content here.

Just as good content was always a constant here, so was an undercurrent of nastiness from some of the gang of originals here, who think it will be 2006 forever here.  I have always liked the amount and quality of content produced by mattw and I have complimented him numerous times about it, but he has always rubbed me the wrong way with the total lack of respect he has shown those which have the temerity to disagree with him.  

So no ctblogger, I am not tone deaf, because it is the tone of certain members that I have an issue with.  Now that you have called me out because I haven't posted anything in a long while, I hope you feel better now that you've got that off your chest.

[ Parent ]
excuse me (0.00 / 0)
but "That's the price of being the sole provider and having a job." is an interesting take on it. There are people on this blog that are also "the sole provider and having a job." and there are those that are the sole provider and don't. And those that have lost their homes, and those that have businesses that are at 30% of their former income.

There are any number of reasons that people have for not posting, and believe it or not, that in itself is NOT a bad thing. But yours was rather weak. When I don't post it's generally because I have nothing to add. That may go on for a week, a month, a year. Whatever. It has very little to do with my role as a provider or my income (which has been dropping like a stone for the last two years as my primary buyer of products and services is schools and teachers).

Since CTBlogger is stating that he had off-line conversations with some of us, I'll state that I was one of them. Now I don't consider myself pro anyone in this race (until this episode, and now I am anti-"no character") I was concerned and beating up on posts that I though were stepping over a civility line. It just so happened that most of those posters were pro-Malloy. But Faux News style concern trolling is a pet peeve of mine. I was asked to stop, and for the most part I did as asked unless the act was really onerous.

So, stop beating on ctblogger, he was doing something (even if I didn't agree with him 100% on what he was doing when he did it). The sad fact is that Sufi has damaged her brand. Her Faux News concern trolling seemed to be only the beginning. CTBlogger yelled at me in private before, the fact that he has now publicly come out and is saying many things that I attempted to warn Sufi about, well all I can say was that I made every attempt to warn Sufi that she was damaging her brand, and she didn't heed it, so even people that privately were telling me to back off have now come out and in their way have told her to stop damaging her brand.

She can either listen to those that once defended her, or she can continue to damage her brand. That is her choice.

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
electrealdemocrats.com Online since 3/07 -- TimetogoJoe.com Online s

[ Parent ]
"damaging her brand" (0.00 / 0)
This is just silly.

"I am not a Blogger...But I play one on the internet."
[ Parent ]
Not really. (0.00 / 0)
[meta-discussion about on-line brand management follows]

Mattw is as abrasive a person as I have seen post on here when he asks a question and doesn't get an answer and that style definitely irritates me. Mattw does fantastic analysis and I generally can't wait to read him. These two facts are NOT mutually exclusive. Mattw has a brand. That brand is that he provides tons of useful and balanced data with unbiased analytics with complete explanations. He also has a brand that he is one of the most abrasive repliers around. The second does not diminish the first.

Sufi had a brand as well (we all do to some extent). Her brand was passion for mid-eastern affairs. While I may not have agreed with her, and we could argue the details and the differences of opinions, I respected her for her brand. That respect was based on the fact that she debated and made her case fairly. I didn't have to agree with her conclusions to respect her for her style and convictions.

If Mattw were to start to fudge fact with fiction I would point that out. If he were to defend it, I would tell him he was damaging his brand. The exact same way I attempted to tell Sufi she was damaging her brand.

I have a fairly solid brand. It's good enough that sometimes I get stuff over to John at Americablog and he will listen to me and run with it. Scarce has a fantastic brand and has been able to get stuff on C&L. As we post we define our brand, it establishes a value to what we post. It can take along time to develop and define your brand, and when it's been built and it is good, it is a bad thing to destroy.

When ctblogger says "Sufi the delusional" her brand has been deeply damaged. How do I know? "I don't know what's worse, "Sufi's" baseless claims about bias on this site, the fact that "Sufi" has lost the ability to write something with a shred of original thought, or the fact that my level of respect for "Sufi" is in the toilet." That means that at some point before this post ctblogger's respect for Sufi was higher (and based on my personal opinion, I would say it was much higher).

Brands are real. Brand damage is real. met00 is a brand. Mattw is a brand, ctKeith is a brand, JonK is a brand, CT-bob, is a brand, brandfordboy is a brand, scarce is a brand, spazboy is a brand and sufi is a brand. We see these labels and we have immediate expectations and opinions based on that brand.  

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
electrealdemocrats.com Online since 3/07 -- TimetogoJoe.com Online s

[ Parent ]
. (0.00 / 0)
People have been asking you to step in for a couple of weeks to clip the wings of a few members here who do abuse their status here

Yet, when called upon, the accusers are not able to come up with any evidence to back up their claims.  

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[ Parent ]
You can go back to July 5, 2006. (2.00 / 2)
As I have stated before, you do fine work, when that's all you're doing.  Your demeanor towards people who disagree with you sucks.  Your constant squealing for proof makes me laugh.
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I make a habit (0.00 / 0)
Of not arguing with people when they are right. And my requests for evidence are a good-faith effort to identify what is really troubling you. But your consistent refusal to provide it suggests to me that abusive, ad hominem attacks are your debating tool of first resort.  

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Then provide some proof (4.00 / 2)
so we can all stop laughing.

Having someone beat your ass in an argument(that's what we do here) with facts,links and research as MattW has done so many times to you,me and others doesn't constitute abuse.

If you were a blogger worth your salt you'd understand and learn from that instead of Whining like a 3 yr old spoiled brat.

[ Parent ]
And Ctblogger this is your site? neutral and all (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
And bhogan, what is your connection to the Malloy campaign? and all. (4.00 / 2)

[ Parent ]
Women's Leadership stands with Dan Malloy (4.00 / 5)
Here's "bhogan's" connection to Malloy's campaign. Her name is not hard to find.

Funny thing about "bhogan" not offering full disclosure to her connection to Malloy's campaign huh?

[ Parent ]
Agent Provacateurs?... (0.00 / 0)

 Old friends like tessa and sufi, have come to the conclusion that they support Dan Malloy in the primary. They and some others have offered reasoned arguments for their decision... but recently some others have given the impression of being incendiary dividers; even plants. Pardon my conspiracy theory, but if there is anything to my suspicion, we must not fall into the trap of self destructing.  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
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Unbelievable (4.00 / 1)
I'm not suprised there was no disclosure but I am disgusted and plan on planting a big Zero on every future post from this scoundrel until that disclosure is found in every one of her posts here.

I promise I will do the exact same thing if anyone from Lamonts campaign pulls the same shit!!

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I don't see the issue (0.00 / 0)
All the women's leadership supporting Malloy is a list of people publicly supporting Dan. If you go on eCRIS you will not find many (if any) of them on the campaign payroll. Though maybe at a phonebank or canvass, but I don't see it as being any different than a Lamont supporter declaring support for Ned and volunteering to help him. I think bhogan has been up front about the candidate she supports. So what exactly is the issue here?

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traditionally (4.00 / 1)
people who have an affiliation with a campaign note that in their blog posts and comments.  Because someone who is actually affiliated with a campaign is indeed different than the "average Jane" who likes a candidate and maybe phone banks a couple of times.  

It's like me telling you Diet Pepsi is great and you should go buy a case of it.  I simply think it's great and think you'd like it... I'm not going to profit in any way.  But if I was on the Board of Pepsi, or worked for their ad/marketing agency, or had 10k shares of stock, it would be different.  I'd have a stake in, or a benefit from getting a lot of people to run out and buy up all the Diet Pepsi.  (Yeah, flame me, you Coke drinkers... bring it on!)

It's an honesty/transparency thing.  

[ Parent ]
I like Polar... (4.00 / 1)

 but it is hard for a third party soda company to compete with the duopoly of Coke and Pepsi...just saying

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
:) (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
I see your point (0.00 / 0)
But other than semantically I just don't see the difference between someone who supports Dan and someone who supports Dan and is willing to have their name be put on a list of supporters. They may volunteer and enjoy articulating their opinions but the communications people at the campaign aren't directing what their comments say, when to say them, where, etc. and the only benefit they derive from it is their own satisfaction in promoting a candidate they are passionate about.  

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Full disclosure is always best (4.00 / 3)
In my opinion, no matter how small, it's always safer to disclosure your involvement with a campaign. In bhogan's case, it would be VERY informative to know her political resume as well as her connection to the Malloy campaign.

In the blogging community, transparency is paramount. As ctkeith stated, ChrisMC was a major abuser of this policy as he promoted Malloy on this site without disclosing that he was a paid staffer. Now, I'm not expecting people to disclose that they're phonebanking (that's kinda silly) but in bhogan's case, as a former elected official who pledge their support for Malloy, I think the proper thing to do is to disclose that info with the MLN community.

.02 cents and last off-topic comment on this thread...back to normal programming.

[ Parent ]
Matt... (4.00 / 1)

 We have chosen different sides in this race, but I want you to know how much I have come to respect you. You do the Malloy campaign proud.

  I have never shared this story before, but maybe this is a good time. On election night in 2006, the polls had just closed and I had just completed my first ever stint at poll standing. I looked over and saw a young man who was working for the Lieberman campaign and we chatted and parted with a handshake. We had each done all we could for our candidate and now had to just wait and see what the result would be.  There was no vitriol, just two Americans who had passionately advocated for opposing sides. It was one of the many special moments that I cherish from the '06 campaign...Peace, Jake

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

[ Parent ]
Thanks (4.00 / 1)
Jake,

I appreciate the kind words and the story. An example that certainly we can all learn from and follow. :)

-Matt

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no difference except... (4.00 / 2)
An average citizen supporting a candidate on his/her own, volunteering some time and donating some money is one thing.  A person with a connection to the candidate such that they act on directives, or even suggestions, from the campaign is another.  

Lots of information and opinion and analysis gets presented here, and people wrangle over it.  IMHO, MLN loves itself a good wrangle more than anything.  Usually, I think, people are wrangling from their hearts.  As Met00 pointed out elsewhere, the regular posters here have a "brand" and over time you learn whose posts are well-informed and thoughtful, you figure out their biases, and you learn when to rely on them and when to take them with a few grains of salt.  In the same way, you know who's just curmudgeonly and only wants to throw a wrench in the works.  In the heat of a campaign, you get a lot of partisans passing through throwing cheap shots; you can tell them by looking at when they signed on.  Mostly they just want to hear themselves shout and you can ignore them.  Sometimes, you wonder what led them here.  In the worst of times you suspect maybe there was some sort of direction to disrupt or discredit.  So, I always like to know where people are coming from.

When I read comment after comment claiming MLN is a rabidly pro-Malloy site -- despite the reality that a great number of Malloy supporters are posting diaries and comments in support of Dan and his proposals -- I start to wonder if the criticisms of Malloy are hitting a little too close to the bone and someone has decided to attempt to lessen the impact of those criticisms by discrediting MLN's "brand" as a smart, progressive, activist community by painting it as a bunch of rabid partisans. (And I think about the concept of "mirroring" - but that's another issue.)  It's one thing if Citizen Jane Doe is doing it on her lonesome.  I feel it's another thing if it's being directed, and Supporter Jane Doe is getting a quiet word from campaign central to go "participate."  Of course, one never will know.  But one CAN know if someone is connected in more than a casual way to a campaign and/or a candidate, and that helps to decide whether to take their comments seriously, or with a little salt, or with a big fat dollop of cynicism.  If they don't disclose and it comes out later, then anything they've said and will say is 100% suspect, in my book.


[ Parent ]
scroudral not. . (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
Representing Malloy (4.00 / 1)
So, these people actually DO represent Dannel Malloy and his campaign.  That's kind of disturbing in that one can only assume they are doing what they're doing with the blessing of Dan Malloy and his campaign.

Hard to imagine a former elected official reduced to trolling the internet.  Desperate times = desperate measures I guess.

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There is life you know beyond!! LOL (0.00 / 0)

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Is she actually on the campaign staff? (0.00 / 0)
If not, then BFD. If so, then shame on her and she'll get with the program I'm sure. We will he have to disclose if we have a yard sign soon?
[ Parent ]
does not appear to be (0.00 / 0)
... she wasn't paid in the most recent filing period.

It's interesting to read her comments in the light of a formal/public relationship with the Malloy campaign, but I can't say it's something I'm bothered about her not disclosing.

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[ Parent ]
Thank you for your research (0.00 / 0)
I used to be an elected official which ended in 2007, I also serve on other boards and commissions. I do not receive  any compensation as a supporter. I confess to having a Lawn sign. I gave money to Dan, Nancy, Kevin and Denise. As well as to my local rep and senator. I have given money to several non-profits that are independent of any political affliation. I supported Lamont 06 for Senator. And I do not support him now.  Any furhter information you need just let me know.  
[ Parent ]
and to add (0.00 / 0)
You're actually using your name, which makes it easy for people to check, unlike a Snorwich (practically impossible) and a MattW (very, very difficult) what you're up to in the public domain, if they're concerned about that.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents that I don't feel like you crossed any line by not telling us about your formal endorsement.  

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[ Parent ]
I agree with mattw (0.00 / 0)
I think we're getting a little too "inside baseball" on this "disclosure" thing.

Sure, someone who's a campaign manager or paid staffer would be wise to make a disclosure or post under their real name.

The real no-no seems to be creating a sock puppet, but no one seems to be doing that here.

And besides, Ms. Hogan's connection to the Malloy campaign, such as it is, has been roundly and soundly disclosed here anyway, so mission accomplished.

Full disclosure: I have broken bread with Dan Malloy and he didn't turn me into a troll. (At least not so much as my wife would notice.)

[ Parent ]
Reference (4.00 / 1)
Jon K's post on Judie Jacobson, editor Jewish Ledger.


[ Parent ]
Point taken (4.00 / 1)
And now Ms. Jacobson's perfidy has been disclosed in a very public manner. Shame on her.

But I would submit that what the editor of a paper does in the pages of that paper differs in both kind and degree from what a poster on a blog does.

I just don't see how Ms. Jacobson's admittedly heinous actions can be equated with Ms. Hogan's and Ms. Marquis' posts here.

But maybe we should all stop flogging this dead horse. Discussions of how many angels can dance on the head of pin would probably prove more productive.

[ Parent ]
Again, I also am on that list (0.00 / 0)
What kind of "disclosure" is required these days? Is it Outing Season?

I am not a paid staffer for Malloy, and I was not a paid staffer for Lamont in 2006.

I have made mistakes in the past few years in my support: John Edwards as a screaming example.

Something I wrote in private was "outed" by one of the members of this community and resulted in a coordinated and successful effort to remove me from Boards and Commissions in my town.

Further down this post "bhogan" is stated to be the Second Staff Member revealed on this site. I don't know that this has been proven by membership on a list of supporters.

Since when do we have to disclose what we are not?

I don't see the correlation of support and "connection" and think it is a disgraceful implication.

"I am not a Blogger...But I play one on the internet."

[ Parent ]
Where's the outrage? (1.00 / 1)
A member of the community was outed and not a peep or question from the community.  Must be the dirty family secret nobody wants to talk about.  Looks like the MLN brand was tarnished a bit.
[ Parent ]
Maybe it's because it's the first time I've even heard about this (0.00 / 0)
so it looks like you shouldn't make snap judgments about the community and the brand.
[ Parent ]
I support Dan Malloy. I am not a paid staffer (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
No connection. I am a supporter. (0.00 / 0)

[ Parent ]
Please, (4.00 / 4)
point us to the evidence that Ned Lamont plans to loosen environmental regulations. Not what it "sounds like" to you, but what he's actually SAID. Because that quote you provided above makes it perfectly clear to me that he's proposing improving approval times by streamlining the process and increasing its efficiency--all which can be done without loosening regulations, and you know it.

So until you can provide actual evidence, please refrain from perpetuating this lie.  

[ Parent ]
I asked (0.00 / 0)
I have to ask Sufi, Mattz, and others that support Malloy, is this what you support? This style and type of campaign? Do you find the promotion of these personal attacks an acceptable policy for the Malloy campaign to engage in?

and I got a lecture on everything BUT what I asked. I asked,

To Dan's supporters. "Because Ned's money can't buy courage." If that was said on MLN, would you be supportive of it? Would you rate that a "4"? Is that something your proud to hear someone say about another Democrat? Now, how do you feel that that statement was promoted on Dan Malloy's web site? Does that make you feel good about the candidate that you support? Is there something here that seems acceptable for ANY candidate to post on their website about their opponent in a primary?

Let's try this again. I'll reformat it so you can just cut and paste it.

Is this what you support?

This style and type of campaign?

Do you find the promotion of these personal attacks an acceptable policy for the Malloy campaign to engage in?

"Because Ned's money can't buy courage." If that was said on MLN, would you be supportive of it?

Would you rate that a "4"?

Is that something your proud to hear someone say about another Democrat?

Now, how do you feel that that statement was promoted on Dan Malloy's web site?

Does that make you feel good about the candidate that you support?

Is there something here that seems acceptable for ANY candidate to post on their website about their opponent in a primary?

Why can't Malloy supporters answer these questions?

Whenever I hear Dan Malloy speak, I hear a DEMOCRAT.

So you believe the character of Dan Malloy, after this episode is what you feel a Democrat SHOULD be? This is on his website.It's HIS voice that is promoting this. This is HIS VOICE. This is what YOU support? This is what YOU feel is a Democrat?

As for promoting to the FP, I know I can't do it anymore as I wanted to FP a recommend recently, and I couldn't. There were two posts one had a pro-Malloy spin, and the other was mostly neutral except for the last two lines which gave it a pro-Lamont spin. The pro-Malloy was FP, the other was not. In addition, as Matt pointed out once, there was a two week period where the FP was 4-1 pro-Malloy. PLEEAASSEEE don't try to BS the readership with a pro-Lamont slant on MLN.

What there has been, and I got yelled at for pointing it out earlier in public and private, is a rather mean attack streak by Malloy supporters that have used tactics that I believe were underhanded at best. YOU being one of the leaders with the Faux News concern troll. I called you on it and people told me in public and private to STFU. Well, it's clear to see that it wasn't just you, but this is a campaign strategy from the top of the campaign, the candidate himself, to all the supporters.

Personally, I find it disgusting. You really have tarnished your brand.

The question is not what you are, we already determined that, we are now negotiating price.
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I'm not a fan of the contest (4.00 / 2)
I think a better case could have been made about the debate issue.  All campaigns make mistakes.
STOP! (4.00 / 4)
We have to stop beating up on each other.  Let's keep a sense of perspective.  Both Malloy and Lamont are great candidates, and far, far better than Foley/Federle. In the scope of things, their differences are minor.  For two weeks, let's try our best to get through this without destroying each other.  
Let's just hope (0.00 / 0)
no one gets any PUMA ideas. Just because you hate Ned for winning doesn't mean you can't vote for him.
[ Parent ]
? (4.00 / 3)
Who hates Ned?  Nobody here as far as I can tell, just a vocal majority who hate Malloy.
[ Parent ]
A fine idea (4.00 / 1)
Now, about that TV commercial...

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[ Parent ]
Note the time of death (4.00 / 3)
Is this officially the day this website as a substantive, progressive place for discussion died? It's been sick with bickering, infighting, blind obedience and vitriol for some time.

But now we are reduced to mudslinging, name-calling, debating campaign tactics and whining about post ratings. I think we have gone beyond the brink.

Who is your real adversary? Fellow Democrats, for too long we have been our own worst enemy. There is only one real winner here - the Republican nominee.

I can't believe (4.00 / 1)
I just wasted five minutes of my life reading this stupid thread.

Teh blogfight burns my eyes!

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffet

This infighting sucks, to put it mildly. (4.00 / 1)
I'm kind of stunned to see this othertimes excellent blog have such a melt down.  

Looks to me like Lamont and Malloy partisans are so into the powerplay and the fight that substance no longer matters.

You're really not convincing anyone.


No Desperation in Malloy Camp, just determination (0.00 / 0)
AS a Campaign volunteer for the Malloy campaign, I have to say that I do not see any desperation, just determination, to get the word out on Malloy's experience and abilities.  The more the Democratic voter understands the leadership that Dan brings to the ticket, the more they support him.  The real question is whether Dan will be able to get that message out to enough democratic voters to win on August 10th. Although true that Lamont and Malloy have been on the same platform a number of times in the past, it was with a plethora of other candidates.  There has really been only one debate, one on one - the debate on Channel 30 just after the convention.  I can understand Lamont's reluctance to debate since he is the purported front runner and does not want to take a chance of a miscue infront of an audience that is starting to pay attention as election day draws near.  Lamont is playing "not to lose" rather than "playing to win" and that might just be good news for the Malloy campaign. We will find out on August 10, 2010.
Dude... (0.00 / 0)

 Your guy has been running for Governor since 2004. He is a twice nominated candidate of the Party. You seem to be saying that the problem for Malloy is that his message hasn't gotten to Democrats. That's six years of campaigning...to paraphrase the warden in "Cool Hand Luke"..." what we seem to have here, is a failure to communicate." ...  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a
[ Parent ]
You're assuming people actually care about debates during summer vacation (0.00 / 0)
75% of the NBC30 viewers switched channels before the debate started that day and the debate ended up losing to Judge Judy in the ratings.

Ned has been aggressive about getting his message out to voters with a variety of events, TV ads, web postings and canvassing.  He's just making a more efficient use of his time and that's "playing to win."  

He still led in the last Q-poll, which was taken after the NBC30 debate, and he actually increased his lead among registered voters by 3 pts, so it looks like summer debates are passed over by the voters who are in summer vacation mode.  

[ Parent ]
The issue is that this is the SECOND (0.00 / 0)
person  on Malloys staff who didn't disclose that relationship(Chris MCc was the first scoundrel) and it reinforces the perception that Malloy thinks cheating(that's what non disclosure is since you are decieving others)is fine and acceptable.


[ Parent ]
No it is not an issue you made an assumption- and took the quantum leap. I came on here to try to support other supporter who were being bashed and accused of hurtful mean things. Thats all. (4.00 / 1)

[ Parent ]
Sorry,My mistake (4.00 / 6)

[ Parent ]
Hey, Branford Boy! (4.00 / 3)
Good to see ya! Hope you'll be around a bit more these day. I miss your snarkishness.  

Connecticut Bob
Stop Crying and Start Working (2.50 / 6)
It is so wonderful to read about how active you BLOGGERS were in 2006, and how you BLOGGERS are insulted by the words of another BLOGGER.  However, I can't for the life of me imagine how any of this will help your candidate(s) of choice.

It would be great to hear anecdotal information about the phone bank you just finished (Lamont and Malloy hold them every day), the picket-line you stood on (SEIU 1199 is still on strike against 4 nursing homes), or the canvass you just completed (there are nearly 200 campaigns going on in Connecticut).

Stop crying and start working - and then BLOG about it.

Uprated.... (0.00 / 0)
Can we please try to hold back on the troll-rating?
[ Parent ]
100 comments?!? (0.00 / 0)
Amazing! So that is what happens when primaries go negative. So much drama in MLN. I know you probably all know this that whoever wins the Democratic primary will probably win the governorship (if current polls stay true till November). So, PLEASE, let's take the knives away.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.
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