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Congressman Himes' Wrong Turn on the Jobs Bill

by: thomashooker

Thu Dec 17, 2009 at 19:56:17 PM EST


Forgive me for making a separate post, but I wanted to take issue at length with Congressman Himes' vote against the new jobs bill (HR 2847, December 16) that Congress barely passed.  His office issued this explanation (as Jonathan Kantrowitz posted):


The Congressman voted against a $75 billion Democratic spending plan which largely expanded programs in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. While the Congressman shares many of the priorities contained in the legislation, he was unwilling to authorize additional spending when over $545 billion, or more than two thirds, of Recovery Act funds are still being spent. This bill uses remaining funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to pay for this expansion. The Congressman believes that TARP funding, which was regrettably requested by President Bush, Treasury Secretary Paulsen, and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke as critical to averting financial meltdown, should not be used for anything other than debt reduction unless the money is distributed through the full appropriations process.

"As many sectors of the economy begin to show clear signs of recovery, we need to get our fiscal house in order," said Congressman Himes. "The simple facts are that we have to pay our bills, and the only long-term path to continued improvement is to replace public spending with private-sector job growth."

I have to point out that Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman takes the opposite point of view, and has for months.  He has steadfastly pointed out, and I agree with him, that the initial stimulus bill was far too small.  Though Congressman Himes suggests that the economy is  "showing clear signs of recovery", I would suggest he focus on the nearly half a million new jobless claims that were made this week, and the double-digit unemployment rate.  As Krugman has pointed out, we are in for years of subpar growth and unemployment and underemployment rates that are painfully high.  Krugman put it starkly just a week ago:

I don't think many people grasp just how much job creation we need to climb out of the hole we're in. You can't just look at the eight million jobs that America has lost since the recession began, because the nation needs to keep adding jobs - more than 100,000 a month - to keep up with a growing population. And that means that we need really big job gains, month after month, if we want to see America return to anything that feels like full employment.

How big? My back of the envelope calculation says that we need to add around 18 million jobs over the next five years, or 300,000 jobs a month. This puts last week's employment report, which showed job losses of "only" 11,000 in November, in perspective. It was basically a terrible report, which was reported as good news only because we've been down so long that it looks like up to the financial press.

Unless, that is, our Democratic congress joins with Barack Obama and passes substantially greater job stimulus.  Congressman Himes has taken the very disappointing  position of the minority Republicans that the key economic problem is the deficit, while Krugman, whom I respect above all economists, has pointed out that the deficit is not the problem; the dismal job situation is.  

thomashooker :: Congressman Himes' Wrong Turn on the Jobs Bill
Congressman Himes was one of just 38 Democrats to side with every Republican on this measure.  And let's be clear that the $75 billion measure is chicken feed compared with what is really needed.  Ben Bernanke's remarks recently that he intends to keep interest rates low for the forseeable future belies the concern over deficits.  If he thought that deficits would lead to inflation in the medium term, he would have hinted about the need for higher rates at some point soon.  But he and Krugman understand that with the substantial unutilized capacity in the economy and the dangerously high unemployment rate, we are in no danger of inflation.

Krugman has been warning for months that we are in danger of seeing the economy decline into a second downturn next year as the initial stimulus funds are spent and federal spending reverts to lower levels.  And let's be clear that this is the recent recipient of a Nobel prize in economics, and in 1991 the recipient of the John Bates Clark medal as the best American economist under the age of forty.  So he's no slouch, and he's been right about the downturn and about Obama for a long time.

On the issue of jobs, the Democrats have it largely right, while the Republicans have reverted to the benighted economics theories of Herbert Hoover in the 1930's.  Every Republican voted with Jim Himes and against this modest jobs bill.  I'm a dedicated Democrat, and on this issue Congressman Himes should stay on the side with economic common sense and Krugman's wisdom.

Then there is this aspect:

The Congressman believes that TARP funding, which was regrettably requested by President Bush, Treasury Secretary Paulsen, and Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke as critical to averting financial meltdown, should not be used for anything other than debt reduction unless the money is distributed through the full appropriations process.

Does Congressman Himes believe that we should not have bailed out our financial institutions?  I think most economists and, frankly, anyone who understands the financial system, understands that without the quick funds authorized by Congress, the entire economy would have collapsed in a Great Depression-like implosion.  I don't regret that expenditure, because there was no other choice.  Should Obama and Geithner have taken over the banks and returned 100% of the upside of relistings of the recapitalized banks to American taxpayers?  Absolutely.  But it wasn't regrettable that we staved off total collapse.

I think the point about going through the appropriations process is a red herring.  We need the expenditures now.  If it takes a bit of bending of the rules to get relief for hard-pressed workers in this country, then so be it.  I don't see the Obama administration getting prickly about bending rules when they can't be bothered to prosecute Bush administration officials for war crimes, and are even defending John Yoo from prosecution who was the key in the legitimization of torture under the Bush administration.

No, we need additional job stimulus spending, most Democrats got it right.  Congressman Himes was on the wrong side this time.  Let's hope he joins Krugman, Keynes, and the Democrats on this in the future.

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I'll stand by my explanation (4.00 / 1)
that this was simply a vote Polosi released both Himes and Hodes from in order to protect their right flank in 2010.

I'll further state that even though I don't like the vote I'm politically astute enough to let it roll off my shoulders.

As for your diefication  of Krugman he's been correct about half the time in his carreer which means he got things correct about 10 times more than that other guy Greenwich Residents seem to enjoy Diefy,Tom Freidman.


Himes Wrong on Jobs Bill (0.00 / 0)
Hooker's caught it... Himes may not have.

Much can and should be said in praise of Himes' fine intellect and grasp of the "big picture" as well as subtleties. May I be one of the first to do so.

This may be one of those times when subtleties are not serving Representative Himes so well. My economics background is light years behind Himes's; however, I can't help but wonder if a green eye-shade approach has left Mr. Himes with a view that only balanced budgets can solve human problems. This may be one of those times when it's necessary to haul out heart before head.

There's an old story that Thomas Watson, founder of modern day IBM went to Washington during the height of the depression to meet with Roosevelt to plead his case for businesses' needing help. One version of the story has Watson thrown out of Roosevelt's office with the parting words "business can take care of business; I've got bigger problems to solve." A chastened Watson went home, thought about the importance of those words... and became a Democrat in order to support the bigger work that needed to be done. Self-serving? Perhaps. Right decision? Undoubtedly.

Let's start championing the right answers for the unemployed, not the still-being-paid-very-well-thank-you masters of the universe.


I don't see how you and Keith are in disagreement (0.00 / 0)
Though the "appropriations process" thing is a little confusing... it was an amendment to the still-moving appropriations bill! By saying that this money "should not be used for anything other than debt reduction unless the money is distributed through the full appropriations process", does he mean that we should wait 12 more months for the measure to become law, or does he mean that this $75B should go towards the deficit and we should find another $75B somewhere else? Who knows, maybe we could borrow the $75B.  

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

To Be Worrying about The Deficit At a Time Like This (4.00 / 2)
Is so wrong-headed and perverse that it defies understanding.  

The human and economic cost of unemployment is so severe, so debilitating that it should be the uppermost in any Democrat's mind. In fact, even business oriented Democrats and Republicans should realize that business can't prosper with so many Americans out of work.

The deficit will be reduced when more Americans are working and paying taxes, and fewer Americans are collecting unemployment, welfare and Medicaid.

Putting Americans back to work should be priority #1.



Jon (0.00 / 0)
Can you find me a singular moment in the entire history of House elections where an opponent took a congresspersons  "NO" vote and turned that into the issue that beat an incumbent?

Like it or not the deficit and "overspending" by the Government are going to be very big issues that whomever runs against Himes.His Opponent will try to base a large part of their campaigns on those issues if it's possible.This vote and a few other of the votes you're going crazy over take those issues off the table for 2010 in Jims upcoming first election as an incumbent at no cost to the underlying legislation.

   


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That Doesn't Mean I Have To Give Him A Pass (0.00 / 0)
If anything, my criticisms from the left probably make him look more moderate and electable. I'm OK with that, but I don't believe we should ignore what he's doing, either. Believe me, I've toned down my rhetoric considerably.

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Himes (0.00 / 0)
 Professor and Keith...Mr Himes isnt Bernie Sanders and we all knew what we were getting when we collectively supported Himes...someone from the wall street world who would be somewhat "better" then Shays...and he has been somewhat "better".  The dynamics of the 4th CD  doesnt  lend itself to the type of candidacies  that you both and I would prefer  to run and for the time being only a moderate democrat can win and perhaps stay in office.The real issue  for the 3 of us  is holding our collective nose  and not also gagging as Mr Himes does what he feels  he needs  to do for his own political survival.

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choosing your friends (0.00 / 0)
If Jim thinks that he's got more to gain by impressing teabaggers than progressive activists, then that's fine. Jon's posts (and the debate in the threads) just emphasize that it is actually a choice he's making. The question of whether it's principle or poltiical calculation driving these votes is interesting, but basically irrelevant. If those hedge fund dudes will put up lawn signs and knock on doors for him, then he'll deserve recognition for assembling a successful (if unlikely) coalition of supporters.  

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

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Ahh I get it now... (0.00 / 0)

So in order to keep the seat in Democratic hands, we need a Congressman who votes like a Republican!  

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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I'm pretty sure that the cranks who will be complaining about "the deficit" (0.00 / 0)
... will not be quelled in their opposition to this (or any) Freshman Democrat by a couple of votes against COBRA or unemployment benefits. Can you see a bunch of people waiting in line at the Sarah Palin book signing saying "well but that Jim Himes, he's really not as bad as the rest of the Democrat Party"?

The great fantasy of politicians is that they can do something to satisfy their opponents. Of course if you convince one group to stop opposing you, you'll just inspire another group to start. As true in the 4th Congressional District as it is in Afghanistan and everywhere else in the world.

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


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Republicans will never, ever vote for Jim Himes (4.00 / 2)
If he's imagining that voting with Republicans on key measures will win him sufficient votes from the Right to remain in office, while taking for granted Democratic and unaffiliated voters, I think it's a mistaken calculus.  

Republicans in New Canaan, Greenwich and Darien, the towns that every two years gave "Both Ways" Shays his margin of victory, will certainly come out to try to defeat Jim Himes in droves.  There is absolutely nothing he can do to win them over.  If someone still identifies himself as a Republican after all that the Republican Party has done to this country, they're beyond reaching with rational argument.

But he could lose a lot of unaffiliated votes and disillusion Democrats.  Democrats are increasingly dismayed and angry at Barack Obama for caving in on so many important issues to the Right.  

The danger is that lots of people in the middle and who gave Barack Obama his 60% of the vote in the 4th congressional district decide to stay home next November.  Mr. Himes should be fighting for Democratic issues and real financial reforms that will please the growing Democratic vote in this district, not trying to please Republicans who will never be pleased.


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Jobs will be a big issue (4.00 / 1)
Only teabaggers give a crap about deficits. Republicans certainly didn't mind deficits when Bush was in office for 8 years. Dick Cheney even said "Deficits don't matter." Now they matter because the money is being spent to create jobs.

Bottom line is this: If people are losing their jobs and their homes, and their standard of living is going down, and they're struggling more to make ends meet, then they are more likely vote the incumbent OUT of office.

With un/under-employment at nearly 20%, if I were Jim and Chris Dodd, I'd make sure we get people working again, and get this economy rolling again. The key here is jobs, jobs, jobs.


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Let's face it... (0.00 / 0)

between "Blue Dog Democrats" and "New Democrats", the Progressive agenda is screwed.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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and... (0.00 / 0)

let us not forget our DLC President... he may not be an official member, but you know what they say: walk like a duck, etc...

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a

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Hey, I give a crap about deficits... (0.00 / 0)
Right now we're getting by due to a favorable, low-interest environment.

But what happens when interest rates go back up, and debt service rises to 15-20% of our annual budget?

Plus politically we're about to get hammered on the issue, as most people aren't confident that TARP and stimuls monies were spent wisely.


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the same people screaming about deficits ... (0.00 / 0)
... are the same people screaming about "socialized medicine."

Krugman calls it the "debt scare."

When I was on This Week yesterday, George Will tried his hand at the debt scare thing, saying that we're in terrible shape because by 2019 the interest on the debt will be SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS. (That should be read in the voice of Dr. Evil). I get that a lot - people who talk about the big numbers which are supposed to imply that things are terrible, impossible, we're doomed, etc.

The point, of course, is that everything about the United States is big. So you have to interpret numbers accordingly. As the graphic above shows ... what we're talking about is a debt-service burden roughly comparable to that under the first President Bush. How many of the people now warning about the impossible burden of currently projected debt were issuing similar warnings back in 1992? Not many, I'd guess.

Here's Joseph Stiglitz on deficits:

Latter-day Hooverites will say the soaring deficit and national debt mean we cannot afford a large stimulus package. Although today they are receiving billions of dollars in aid, once they have their money some from the financial sector will argue that the economy won't recover unless confidence is restored, and that confidence won't be restored until the deficit narrows.

But it's impossible to restore confidence when the economy is in shambles. When millions of Americans are out of work and hundreds of thousands of businesses are going into bankruptcy, there will be no "confidence." This is the reality. To avoid this, we need a big stimulus.

Deficits do matter, but they're not our biggest worry right now -- not when the economy is tanking. If Himes and other deficit hawks really wanted to ease deficit pressure, they could raise the marginal tax rates on the top 1%, change tax rates on capital gains to be equal that of regular income, or maybe, force hedge fund managers to declare their earnings as income rather than as capital gains, etc. But they don't.

The people I speak to don't say, 'hey, how 'bout those deficits?' They say, 'hey, do you know anyone who can use a plumber, or have you heard about any job openings, or our house is still on the market, or can you chip in to help pay this kid's medical bills ... nothing about deficits, except from the teabaggers, Wall Streeters, George Will and other folks who tend to vote Republican.


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rumor mill (0.00 / 0)
Heard that there's another Republican getting into the 4th CD race. Interesting times.

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

Obama (4.00 / 1)
 Read the tea leaves folks...the White House was at best ambivelent about the public option  and/or the medicare buyin....and the White House made a mistake and taking us deeper into the quagmire of Afganistan...they still bail out the bankers and wall street....so what has changed much?

What has changed?... (0.00 / 0)

We traded in a stammering dolt, for an eloquent bullshitter. I actually find it difficult to listen to the President at this time. I know he will say all the right things, but the policy decisions have been disappointing.

If the health care bill is better than nothing, it is just barely so.  If this passes, we as progressives must not allow hyperbolic  claims about it being "landmark legislation", comparable to Social Security and Medicare, to go unchallenged.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a


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Neil Vigdor is eavesdropping ... (0.00 / 0)
From the CT Post:

On the political blog MyLeftNutmeg.com, the freshman congressman caught flak for his vote against the jobs bill, which passed 217 to 212 on Thursday.

"Congressman Himes' Wrong Turn on the Jobs Bill," read one entry on the Web site.

Sean Goldrick, a Democratic activist from Himes' hometown of Greenwich, writing under the pseudonym Thomas Hooker, invoked the name of Paul Krugman, the New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize winning economist, who has argued that the initial stimulus bill wasn't enough to create sustainable jobs.

Himes said he hadn't seen the blog posting.

"I respect Krugman's point of view, but, at the end of the day, the government can't create all the jobs that we need to create," Himes said. "It can just prime the pump and create the conditions for the private sector to do so."




and he outed <i>Thomas Hooker</i> (4.00 / 1)
kinda rude, no?

.Adding Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity to Blogging since 1999!.

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Interesting article (0.00 / 0)
I think Jim is right to suggest that the government has done enough on the jobs front. In particular, practically everything in this package is more or less a waste of taxpayer dollars. And I'm sure that there's nobody who would use his comments against him in the same way that he used Shays' "economy is fundamentally strong" remark in 08. </snark>

–7.25 / –7.28 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...

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also, bankers prefer deflation (0.00 / 0)
Increasing unemployment is deflationary.

Deflation puts more value on money over goods, and it benefits creditors rather than lenders. So this deflationary period is good for the Wall Street banking folks in the 4th CD, but bad for the Bridgeport-Norwalk-Stamford working class.


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I'd have to take issue with this suggestion (0.00 / 0)
The Great Depression was deflationary and it led to the collapse of the banking system.  Since so many of the banking system's assets are mortgage loans, a borrower who sees the value of his house go down while his mortgage obligation remains the same will in many situations prefer to default on his loan and walk away from the devaluing asset.  That causes cash flow to dry up at the banks, results in realized losses, and puts the obligation to try to sell devaluing assets on the banks, further impacting cash flow.  As happened in the Great Depression, rising losses force banks to call loans to create liquidity, which often causes those borrowers whose loans were called to go bust themselves, piling losses for the banks onto losses.

Inflation is the bankers' friend, not deflation, which can easily destroy a banking institution. A deflationary environment is one in which borrowers disappear due to unemployment, depositors disappear for the same reason, and falling wages result in a falling liability base, at just the time that assets are hit with losses.

It's a banker's nightmare.


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you've got cause and effect messed up (0.00 / 0)
Deflation didn't cause the depression. Speculation and borrowing on margin did. The banking collapse led to deflation.

Deflation favors creditors:

Deflation is generally regarded negatively, as it causes a transfer of wealth from borrowers and holders of illiquid assets, to the benefit of savers and of holders of liquid assets and currency.

So mortgage holders, etc., do worse during deflation and the lenders do better.  


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Gotta disagree (0.00 / 0)
Your last point, that "mortgage holders do worse during deflation and the lenders do better" just isn't so.  Look at the current situation.  More than one in every ten mortgages is in  arrears.  That means big losses and write-offs for the banks.  And when equity is roughly 3.5% of total assets, there is precious little room for the usual 40% write-off of impaired assets for banks.  Borrowers can walk away from a depreciating asset, and many probably should, because their loan keeps growing in relation to the value of the asset.  Better to give it up and try to purchase another house at a substantially lower price later on.  That, however, creates another loss for the bank.

We can argue about the real initial causes of the Great Depression for some time, the collapse of farm prices and the ill-advised Hoover administration cut in federal spending to "balance the budget" while demand was dropping.  But it really isn't important which factors began the deflation.  What is important is the point that banks went belly up at a rate that was never seen before, and we are also seeing banks go broke at a frightening rate as this financial collapse and the concomitant deflationary environment destroy demand and asset values.

Banks fear deflation; it's terrible for them.


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let's put it this way -- deflationary forces favor lenders (0.00 / 0)
If a bank is earning 5% interest on a loan while interest rates are dropping to 1% due to deflationary forces, the bank makes money on that 4% spread.

Thanks to the cheap credit the Federal Reserve is flushing through the financial system, the major Wall Street banks are generating enormous bond-trading profits.

Only when loans default, and the value of the collateral drop to less than the value of the loans, banks get into trouble. (Unless, of course, they're bailed out.)

It's true that bad debt is a risk, especially during a recession, and that many banks (though a very small percentage) have been crushed because they weren't adequately capitalized. But well capitalized banks, and those that have managed their exposure to bad debt -- or have been bailed out -- are just fine. Homeowners and wage earners are the ones getting hit the worst.

Among U.S. homeowners with mortgages, a record 7.65 per cent were at least 30 days late on payments in September, up from 7.58 per cent the previous month [note: 92.35% paid on time!]. The rate of delinquencies is more than double the 3.55 per cent rate in September, 2007, according to Equifax.

For JPMorgan and the other major Wall Street banks, that's okay because these losses are more than offset by impressive investment banking profits.

If conditions get worse (unemployment rises and we have true deflation), then this could be a huge problem for banks, so I agree with you in that sense. But if conditions stay the about the same -- low employment and banks able to borrow at low rates and lend at higher rates -- the lenders should do OK.



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Hold on a sec... (0.00 / 0)
It is true that banks do well when interest rates decline.  That is the same as with corporate bonds.  But deflation is very different from a drop in interest rates.  A deflationary economic environment is one in which not only interest rates, but the general price level is also falling.  It involves salaries dropping, asset prices declining, and, also as a result, demand and employment dropping as well.  So while the drop in deposit rates relative to outstanding loan levels is a positive in terms of earnings, there are lots of other negative things going on that counteract that positive.

As we see in the current economic environment, when home prices fall precipitously, banks see borrowing demand drop sharply and existing borrowers, either because their financed asset prices are dropping and are, therefore, no longer worth financing for many years are previous inflated levels, or because they are no longer employed and cannot continue to service the loans.  So earnings get hammered by write-offs.

You mentioned "cheap credit" coming from the Fed.  But that is emergency funding that is keeping the banks from going under in this deflationary period.  In other words, they are seeing earnings supported by Fed liquidity.  But if they did not get those trillions in liquidity, they would have been bankrupted already by this deflationary environment.  So the emergency bailouts that result in higher profits don't prove that a deflationary environment is good for banks; quite the opposite.  The existence of emergency financing at cheap rates belies the horrible effect that deflation has on banks and the fact that the system would collapse were it not for that emergency intervention.


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deflation favors those with money ... (0.00 / 0)
and capital.

At the Private Bank, "we had a pretty good third quarter...

Strong banks that are well capitalized and have money to lend, which includes the majority of St. Louis banks, may be able to pick up good loans. "I feel bullish in that if you have capital, you will be able to pick up business from weaker banks," Ivie said.



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That's true, but... (0.00 / 0)
Systemically, there are lots of banks that can't survive.  Indeed, as a system, the entire banking structure is threatened.  That's why the insurance pool for banks is close to being exhausted.  And if the government hadn't intervened and bailed out the banks and depositors, even the "strong banks that are well capitalized" would have gone under, or many of them.  Again, look at the Great Depression and the national run on the banks.

It's a macro versus a micro situation.


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They saw it coming (0.00 / 0)
During the Himes "Obama Acceptance Speech" event at Mt. Aery Baptist in Bridgeport, I sat with a group of "Church ladies."  During Mr. Himes' speech pledging more jobs, education assistance, and ponies to our inner cities, the ladies were murmuring, "Mmmmhmmm, we've heard all this before.  We'll just wait and see what this one does."  

I think they're seeing it now.


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Have to disagree... (0.00 / 0)
and point out that 218 congressional Democrats also disagreed.  Though there will be inefficiencies and some programs will be ill-advised, the point is to inject liquidity into the economy and get money into the hands of hard-pressed workers and unemployed.  Remember the Civilian Conservation Corps in the New Deal?  Republicans believed that it was just "make-work" and inefficient, but in hindsight it was a brilliant and superbly effective effort.  We are still enjoying the benefits of their labors.

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From a politcal point of view this rejection is a mistake (4.00 / 1)
The only thing that matters to getting Jim Himes re-elected is motivating the democrats of Bridgeport to vote.  How many times have you sat and watched on election night to see if the Bridgeport vote can overwhelm the Republican advantages of New Canaan, Darien and Greenwich?  The voting down of a jobs bill is a mistake. Republicans will not vote for him and there he is undercutting his dem support--he seems to be pulling an "Obama."

Jim Himes has underestimated the depth of this recession when he gave in to tax cuts instead of stimulative jobs programs.

Furthermore on a non-political basis, he underestimates the hollowing out of the insurance, pharma and other service companies.  These companies are sending a lot of middle class jobs in IT, Accounts Payable, Account Receivable and Sourcing overseas.  We need a jobs plan in CT or all our kids will be going somewhere else,


 
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