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Jim Himes Does It Again, Again

by: Jon Kantrowitz

Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 11:07:18 AM EST


Once again Jim Himes has voted with Republicans, and against Democrats, on a tax measure. This time he was one of only 10 Democrats, and the only Democrat from Connecticut, to vote against the Tax Extenders Act of 2009  which 239 Democrats and 2 Republicans supported.

Why did Himes vote against it?  Perhaps because his investment banker and venture capital pals will no longer receive special breaks which taxed much of their income at much lower capital gain rates.

Meanwhile, the bill does an awful lot of good things:

The Tax Extenders Act of 2009 would provide individuals and businesses with approximately $30 billion in tax relief in 2009 by extending for one year (through 2010) more than forty provisions that are scheduled to expire at the end of 2009. This $30 billion in tax relief includes more than $5 billion in individual tax relief and more than $17 billion in business tax relief. The Tax Extenders Act of 2009 also extends more than $7 billion of tax provisions that encourage charitable contributions, provide community development incentives, provide tax relief in the event of a Presidentially-declared disaster, and support the deployment of alternative vehicles and alternative fuels. The Tax Extenders Act of 2009 provides this relief without adding to the deficit.

Update:

Just Got Off The Phone With Jim Himes

He gave two reasons for voting against the bill:
1. It only applied to provisions expiring in 2009. He really wanted the Low Income Housing Tax Credit which expires in 2010 included. People need to know way ahead of time if those tax breaks will be available. Not extending the credit now will have a devastating effect on 100O's of units which were to be built in New Orleans.

2. More importantly, as far as he is concerned, the tax rate on carried interest, which is income people who manage real estate investment funds, Jim's main area of focus, receive,  because of risks that they incur, should not be identical to the tax rate on ordinary income. This applies to hedge funds and investment funds as well. It's not capital gains, Jim says, which is the rate that it's currently taxed at, but Jim wasn't happy that the rate wasn't adjusted downwards to make some allowance for the additional risks fund managers incurred.

I'll accept Jim's concerns as reasonable and somewhat legitimate, and withdraw my over-the-top rhetoric, but I don't think these are sufficient reasons to vote against the bill.

We also talked about his vote against the new Estate Tax.  His main concern here was that imposing the new Estate Tax exemptions will increase the deficit by $280 billion. I asked if that meant he was in favor of lowering the exemption, or raising the tax rate to limit the financial impact, but he wasn't willing to commit to either of those remedies. What he favored was a VAT tax on luxury items, which then would allow the exemption to remain at $3.5 million, which he also felt should have been indexed to inflation.

Jim's votes on these issues do not, in my opinion, reflect mature thinking about the overall consequences of the legislation, but rather, as he himself conceded at one point during our conversation, a certain grumpiness that specific provisions weren't exactly what he wanted, or that what he wanted wasn't even giving a hearing.

Jon Kantrowitz :: Jim Himes Does It Again, Again
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Jon (4.00 / 2)
I noticed Rep Wexler(D),one of the most progressive members of the House, also voted no on this peice of legislation.

I don't know what Rep Himes motivations were omn this vote but I think assuming it was "because his investment banker and venture capital pals will no longer receive special breaks which taxed much of their income at much lower capital gain rates." without any statement from Rep Himes or his office as to why he voted like he did is pretty shoddy blogging.


If you are going to quote me (0.00 / 0)
please include the "perhaps"

[ Parent ]
Why (4.00 / 3)
Do you think that starting the sentence with "Perhaps" makes the fact that you had not one FACT to back up any part of that sentence better?

[ Parent ]
Jon (0.00 / 0)
Here's an equivelent sentence to the one in question.

Perhaps the real reason Jon Kantrowitz is willing to spend so much energy in defeating Joe Lieberman is because he is a self hating Jew.

There is absolutely no truth,evidence or factual basis for that sentence but if it was printed in a front page of this or any other blog and then repeated in other places you can bet your ass that you'd end up reading in the MSM in a week or two about "rumors Jon Kantrowitz is a self hating Jew".

Stop the BULLSHIT!!



[ Parent ]
Can you find out for us what's going on? (0.00 / 0)
I'm usually inundated with press releases from his office detailing lots of mundane appearances and votes.  But don't recall seeing one explaining his vote here.

Can you enlighten us?


I'm in Rosa's district (4.00 / 1)
  If I have a question on one of her votes I call her office in New Haven and usually get an answer to any question within a day or two.If I'm not satisfied I call her office in DC.

No Congresscritter puts statements out on every floor vote or they'd need a staffer just for that purpose.You and Jon are both Jims Constituents, members of your towns DTCs and Donors to his last campaign.If either of you called and asked I'm certain you could get a statement on this vote within a day or so.

Here's Himes DC Office Phone #, (202) 225-5541
 


[ Parent ]
Right (4.00 / 1)
But I don't think Jon K. is as interested in getting answers to his questions as he is in preserving his ability to take cheap shot after cheap shot.

[ Parent ]
Cheap shot? (0.00 / 0)
While I would like Jon K. to call up Himes' office and get a quote to address his concerns. At the same time, at least he reported it. Would any of us know about this vote if not for Jon K.'s reporting? No.

I think as blogging goes, he presented a fair picture of the bill, and is permitted to conclude Himes' motivations.

Is it a cheap shot? No.

Postulating with a straight face that Himes committed sodomy with a parrot would be a cheap shot. Speculating that Himes' vote on this bill is in line with his history as an investment banker is not at all a cheap shot.

 


[ Parent ]
There's NOTHING in the bill about invetment bankers (0.00 / 0)

You'd have to assume Himes voted no out of spite because he couldn't get the investment bankers the special treatment they were recieving BEFORE this bill passed.



[ Parent ]
Ken, Using the exact same logic (0.00 / 0)
shouldn't the judge throw what's left of your false arrest case out of court?

Afet all,as police work goes aren't police permitted to conclude your motivations especially since they had more evidence(your blog postings) of your intent than Jon does of Rep Himes?


[ Parent ]
Good, then I'll take it to the Second Circuit (0.00 / 0)
When you get knocked down, you stand up and you fight back, you go even harder.

 


[ Parent ]
Just Spoke with His Office (0.00 / 0)
A statement will be sent to me shortly.

Wouldn't it have been prudent (0.00 / 0)
for you to ask for one BEFORE you wrote thise garbage?

[ Parent ]
look (4.00 / 1)
Jon seems to be bitterly unhappy with Congressional performance in general and Himes' performance in specific.

I find myself wishing that when Himes broke party ranks it was to do good instead of to raise up the walls around our gilded-age economic system. In particular, these votes recast his questionable comments about financing mechanisms and cost containment in the healthcare system in a much less flattering light than an optimist might have realistically hoped earlier in the year. A Rockefeller- or Roosevelt-style traitor to his class our Congressman is most certainly not.

Unlike Jon, I don't have any expectation that my wishing is likely to go anyplace. But I don't fault him for banging the drum here. In fact, I'm surprised he even asked for a statement, as they're just going to throw some sort of horseshit about protecting small businesses at us. I think it's better for all involved not to motivate our Congressman's staff to plagiarize off of Heritage Foundation briefing books if it can be avoided.

–7.25 / –7.28

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
No you look (0.00 / 0)
If there are legitimate reasons to stick it to Himes for lousy votes then by all means DO IT But do it with facts and research worthy of a front pager on MLN Not using slander tactics learned from reading DRUDGE.

I'm not defending this vote or any other by Himes but I am calling out SHITTY BLOGGING with no factual bases being placed on the front page of MLN.


[ Parent ]
I understand what you're saying (0.00 / 0)
... but at the same time, over the summer I didn't post a piece I'd written about Himes and healthcare pending a position statement. I asked for the statement again and again (6 times) over the course of a month, at which point nobody would have even cared about the post anyway. At which point I told his goddamn press secretary never to write to me again.

So while I acknowledge that what Jon wrote might be unfair if you scored his post on points, fuck it. If I had been unfair, maybe I would have gotten answers to the questions I asked.  

–7.25 / –7.28

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
Now that' a subject a diary should be written about (0.00 / 0)
If Himes constituent service is so poor that thats the case then that story should be told.

If his staff is so inept they didn't realize who you were and why getting an answer to you quickly was in Jims interest that needs to be told here too.

I don't feel any Pol is above critcism but lets leave using inference,concluding,guessing and slander hidden behind "probably" or question marks the perview of Drudge and his ilk.


[ Parent ]
Last time I saw a diary on the sidebar (0.00 / 0)
that I thought he should respond to because there were legit questions? I tweeted him about the diary and he showed and responded. Don't know for sure if it was because of the tweet? But it might be worth trying that way. lol


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
MLN... (0.00 / 0)

I have been a participant here since the fall of '06 and after following some recent threads I believe I am watching MLN fracture and disintegrate before my eyes. It's not the disagreements, (we have always had spirited debates),it's the tone.  

Fissures are showing that were not visible when the Republicans were in power and we had a clear ideological adversary. Rather than being united in advancing progressive ideas we seem to have broken into camps: Radicals, Progressives, Liberals and mere Democrats.

Nothing lasts forever.

But let justice roll down like waters...Amos 5:24a


[ Parent ]
I assume the "Radicals" (0.00 / 0)
are the more conservative members? lol jk


Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media


[ Parent ]
tough times (4.00 / 1)
We all wanted a lot, and aren't getting a lot. And practically nobody around can blame Republicans for the failures with a straight face, since the people we'd worked to elect have such huge majorities. Plus, there's no unifying figure (either Republicans as you mention, or a positive unifying figure or cause), so to act based on consensus we'd have to change from a community to an institution ("Please vote: We should a) support the public option, b) demand single payer c) support the bill no matter what" -- do we really want to go there?)

I think Matt Browner-Hamlin had a good take on this dynamic the other day here. I agree that it's definitely an uncomfortable moment, but I don't think it's just here.

–7.25 / –7.28

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
Just Got Off The Phone With Jim Himes (0.00 / 0)
He gave two reasons for voting against the bill:

1. It only applied to provisions expiring in 2009. He really wanted the Low Income Housing Tax Credit which expires in 2010 included. People need to know way ahead of time if those tax breaks will be available. Not extending the credit now will have a devastating effect on 100O's of units which were to be built in New Orleans.

2. More importantly, as far as he is concerned, the tax rate on carried interest, which is income people who manage real estate investment funds, Jim's main area of focus, receive,  because of risks that they incur, should not be identical to the tax rate on ordinary income. This applies to hedge funds and investment funds as well. It's not capital gains, Jim says, which is the rate that it's currently taxed at, but Jim wasn't happy that the rate wasn't adjusted downwards to make some allowance for the additional risks fund managers incurred.

I'll accept Jim's concerns as reasonable and somewhat legitimate, and withdraw my over-the-top rhetoric, but I don't think these are sufficient reasons to vote against the bill.

We also talked about his vote against the new Estate Tax.  His main concern here was that imposing the new Estate Tax exemptions will increase the deficit by $280 billion. I asked if that meant he was in favor of lowering the exemption, or raising the tax rate to limit the financial impact, but he wasn't willing to commit to either of those remedies. What he favored was a VAT tax on luxury items, which then would allow the exemption to remain at $3.5 million, which he also felt should have been indexed to inflation.

Jim's votes on these issues do not, in my opinion, reflect mature thinking about the overall consequences of the legislation, but rather, as he himself conceded at one point during our conversation, a certain grumpiness that specific provisions weren't exactly what he wanted, or that what he wanted wasn't even giving a hearing.



Thanks for the follow-up, and the original post (0.00 / 0)
It's far more than we get from the so-called professional press corps.  It debunks the journalists' meme that there is no original reporting on the internet.  How much reporting have we seen on Congressman Himes during his first year?  Virtually squat.

But the issue is disturbing.


[ Parent ]
Voting Aye (0.00 / 0)
The Congressman from New Orleans, Republican Joseph Cao.

–7.25 / –7.28

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
Though I totally agree (0.00 / 0)
Fund managers should definitely be taxed at a lower rate than everyone else, due to the great value they have provided to our overall economy.

–7.25 / –7.28

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tw...


[ Parent ]
Jon (0.00 / 0)
You should add this update to your original post as opposed to having it buried in the comments.

My 2 cents


[ Parent ]
Let me see if I got this straight (0.00 / 0)
You phoned Rep Himes office with your concern and within 4 hours he personally returned your call and you got a satisfactory answer(even if you wouldn't have voted like he did) from  your Congressman in Person?

I'd say you were treated better by your congresscritter than 99% of the General public and the vast majority of the professional journalist in this country are by almost any member of Congress and I hope the next time you disagree with one of his votes you'd at least give him the opportunity to explain his reasoning before you write a front page post.

Being a member of Congress sometimes means in order to be heard you have show a bit of "grumpiness(Like Kucinich voting AGAINST the House HCR bill)in order for those in leadership to know you're even alive.



[ Parent ]
Keith (0.00 / 0)
Jon got a phone call because Himes knows that he blogs.

Himes knows who Jon is, and understands that Jon wields some level of influence in the blogosphere.

Let's see how long it takes Himes to call back an average constituent in Bridgeport, say, a single mother of three who works at Home Depot.  

You and I both know that the only reason Himes called him back was because Himes fears the bad reviews from writers like Kantrowitz. And Jon has been harsh on Himes lately. Himes wants to say his peace. So, it works.

But not for everyone. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.



[ Parent ]
not true (4.00 / 2)
Friends I know have called Himes to express their views about one thing or another, and Himes has called them back. None were influential -- just constituents.

I disagree with Jim about a lot of things, but his door is always open.  


[ Parent ]
 
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