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Connecticut for Lieberman

by: Scarce

Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 10:09:04 AM EST

Progressive Change will soon be running this ad in Connecticut with a $40,000 ad buy.

"Joe Lieberman promised Connecticut voters in 2006 that he would support core Democratic issues like health care reform," said PCCC co-founder Adam Green in a statement. "This tongue-in-cheek ad holds Lieberman accountable for putting his own ego ahead of the overwhelming will of Connecticut voters who demand a public health insurance option."

UPDATE: Adam Green has a diary up now at Daily Kos. You can voice your opinion directly to him over there for having Mertens in the ad.

UPDATE 2: Appears it went viral, as Huffington Post, TruthDig, the Hartford Courant and probably many others have now posted the video.

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Isn't it wonderful (4.00 / 3)
when those "national progressive organizations" promote teabagger loving idiots like Metens.

I hope Adan Green of Progressive Change loses his job over this because he deserves to.

Ads... (4.00 / 2)
 If anyone seriously believes that Lieberman will be influenced by the ad, I have a Brooklyn Bridge to sell you....Dr Mertens would not be my choice in this ad, for reasons we all know.

It's not about influencing anything (4.00 / 5)
It's about raising the name recognition of Adan Greens organization and raising money.

If Adam Green spent five minutes on the phone asking REAL PROGRESSIVES in CONNECTICUT whether using Merten in any ad was a good idea this garbage would have never been produced. Lets face it,Adam Green and his Progressive Change organization didn't give a shit about that.For them getting their name out and raising some money is all that matters.

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absolutely love it... (0.00 / 0)
hilarious ad.

"Join the resistance and there will be no resistance." - My Grandmother

Those f**ers have a rec'd diary on DailyKos (4.00 / 4)
asking for money, and the Kossacks are loving it. I'm so pissed I can't believe it. What a con he's pulling on everybody.

I just hope he gets that 1% of the vote so CFL doesn't disappear.  

WTF can we do? (4.00 / 3)
The ad will hurt left causes and is precisely to everything so many are trying to do here. And they are rec'ing it. Wrecking it, too.

Who the fuck is Adam Green? I would have called the diary and campaign ill informed before it was published but, since everyone has asked him NOT to air the ad, it now a case of willful ignorance.

The ad is cheap thrill at the cost of so many issues.

Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media

[ Parent ]
OOPs (4.00 / 1)
"The ad will hurt left causes and is CONTRARY to everything so many are trying to do here. And they are rec'ing it. Wrecking it, too."  

Drinking Liberally in New Milford
ePluribus Media

[ Parent ]
I had a diary at Kos, (4.00 / 3)
which dropped like a rock. The posters thought that CFL stood  for a football league.

Coulda , woulda, shoulda - I don't think they realize that it was John Mertens pushing his agenda. I'm walking away (after one more last word comment).

Dr. Mertens - this is for you.

Scarce - someday we'll meet. I still want that pic of you with Lorenzo.

Sue (not a Dude)

BTW, Scarce - (4.00 / 3)
you rate. Thanks for your comments.  

How many years will it be before (4.00 / 3)
Adam Green admits to making his first mistake?

Instead of owning up, he goes on and on and on trying to justify his actions.

GOOD (4.00 / 1)
Adam Green and PCCC now OWN Dr. Mertens.They deserve each other.

It's obvious Green was lying his ass off when he said he had contact with Ct progresives and they were OK with Mertens being put up front in this ad. Not Suprisingly What this episode did was expose Adam Green and PCCC as little more than an internet fundraising scheme whose major aim is self promotion.

[ Parent ]
With 11,200 views (0.00 / 0)
it has hardly gone viral. Let's see when it hits 200,000.  

Sigh....YouTube doesn't update to the minute (4.00 / 1)
Tomorrow it will be over 100,000 no doubt.

And your championing of it and Mertens is offensive.

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Good (0.00 / 0)
Since my ultimate goal is to live to offend everyone, then I am succeeding.

[ Parent ]
CRL's goal was to offend, (0.00 / 0)
but only for those who were offensive. They're not usually found here.

Remember, Grasshopper, a focus of effort with prioritization is crucial for maximum effect. Add a dose of of humor, but do not fall into loser snarkdom.

(I should be doing something else now, so I have to leave and refocus on that).  

[ Parent ]
dead link? (0.00 / 0)
what are you trying to send me to?

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Memories (4.00 / 1)
John Mertens selling what little soul he has left and reaching out to the teabaggers: July 4th 2009.

Seems Mertens forget that at (0.00 / 0)
the end of Bill Clintons second term the "company" known as the USA had a surplus and Alan Greenspan(R) said our biggest problem in the future might be that we would pay off our entire national dept?

Dr Mertens and Adam Green and PCCC are forever linked now.Perhaps Mr Green can figure out a way to tap into the wallets of the idiots in the teabag movement as much as he taps into idiots who think they're part of the progressive movement.

Adam Green and PCCC are about one thing,making Money off of fools on the internet for the CEO of PCCC (he actually lists himself as a CEO of change Congress)through internet fundraising.

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Seems Mertens forget that at (0.00 / 0)
the end of Bill Clintons second term the "company" known as the USA had a surplus and Alan Greenspan(R) said our biggest problem in the future might be that we would pay off our entire national dept?

Dr Mertens and Adam Green and PCCC are forever linked now.Perhaps Mr Green can figure out a way to tap into the wallets of the idiots in the teabag movement as much as he taps into idiots who think they're part of the progressive movement.

Adam Green and PCCC are about one thing,making Money off of fools on the internet for the CEO of PCCC (he actually lists himself as a CEO of change Congress)through internet fundraising.

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No, he doesn't forget (0.00 / 0)
at 5:30 or thereabouts, Mertens notes that at the end of the 1990s, there was a surplus because of the discretionary spending act passed in 1990.

I challenge anyone to watch this and say they disagree with his fundamental message of changing the two-party duopoly, enacting fiscal responsibility, staunching burgeoning prison populations, and legalizing.

Do you hear the people booing him when he says change the drug laws? He is reaching out and bringing a progressive message to a population unfamiliar with with such thoughts.  This is not a friendly audience for him.

He uses this speech to educate people about CFL and Lieberman.

"We can agree to disagree about a lot of issues, but we need to fight the two party system," Mertens said at 945 or thereabouts.  

I don't see a problem with this. And if some of these folks vote for him and help him maintain the ballot line, then who cares?

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So,What your saying (0.00 / 0)
is the entire previous 5 minutes where he's trying to convince the teabaggers that there is no difference between the 2 partries is total bullshit and he's sayin it  because that's what he thinks the audience wants to hear?

I Agree.

As to the 2 party system I'd say that,not surprisingly, your take is held by about 1% or less of the population and that's been shown over and over again in actual elections.

[ Parent ]
What I'm saying (0.00 / 0)
Is that Mertens' critique of the two party system is fully accurate. Do you want a list of where the two parties meet?

Repeal of Glass-Steagall? Afghanistan? Iraq? Drug war? Prison spending? Structural democratic reforms? TARP? Wall Street? Corporate power? Welfare reform? WTO? NAFTA? CAFTA? G8? Lobbying? Health Care?

For my money, neither party - with few exceptions - are talking single payer, the only health care reform worth discussing.

Mertens is making an effort to convince more than 1 percent of the people that there is a better alternative. To sit on the ballot line in 2010 to wait for Lieberman in 2012 is pennywise and pound foolish.

The two-party duopoly needs to be challenged at every turn. Dodd is only fractions of a hair better than Lieberman (see Glass-Steagall above)...Dodd must be held to account.

Mertens is running a good third party campaign at this point - he is in the race early, getting press and pissing people off.  

As for me, I remain proud to be in a minority of 1 percent.

[ Parent ]
You can't "challenge the duopoly" ... (0.00 / 0)
... with just speeches.

First, you have to build a base of support. You do this by spending your life doing constructive things -- like serving in local government, building a business, or leading groups that make a difference in people's lives.

Mertens is an associate college professor who couldn't even win a state rep's race.    

Mertens, as you would say, is a lightweight. He's got nothing under him or behind him. Just air.  

[ Parent ]
Trinity College (0.00 / 0)
Trincoll.edu lists Mertens as a full professor of Engineering with a Ph.D. from Stanford University, unless I am missing something. Mertens focuses on high-temperature combustion reactions in shock tubes, optical diagnostics, computational studies of non-equilibrium processes, and his primary teaching areas are thermodynamics, heat transfer, gas dynamics, and the mechanics of materials.

I suppose thermodynamics is, in essence, a lot of hot air.


But building the minds of young adults who will go on to build buildings or other infrastructure doesn't make a difference in their lives (and our lives)?

There have been other professors elected to the U.S. Senate.

Is Mertens a lightweight? I am not so sure. He is espousing difficult positions and going at the system from a marked disadvantage - a third party. It takes uncommon fortitude  to approach the system from this minority stance.  

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So, where are his students? (4.00 / 1)
... or his former students, or his co-workers, or his neighbors? Are they campaigning for him, blogging for him, doing anything for him? Where were they during his failed state rep campaign?

See, by serving your community, or by building a business, or by leading a group that does things for people, you establish relationships, trust, respect, etc. ... and a base of support.

Mertens has no base of support. Even worse, by usurping CFL for his own idiotic purposes he's offending potential allies, who see him violating a very sacred trust.

So, he's no better than a sitting U.S. Senator who's also violating their trust.

Look, if Mertens wants to "espouse positions" he should start a blog. If he wants to win an election, he'll need a base of support. Pandering to teabaggers and usurping CFL is NOT how you do that.  

[ Parent ]
Usurpation (2.50 / 2)
Implies violence. Did Mertens hijack the CFL meetings with a gun or a knife? Highly doubtful.

He is building his base of support now. Did Ned have a base of support when he threw his hat in the ring? No. He built it, and had a much easier time doing so because Ned is wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice, and could essentially buy political friends.

I don't see any of what Mertens is doing as idiotic. He is doing more than espousing positions. He is running for office.

This commercial is part of his campaign to build support.

And you keep harping on him running for state rep once and losing. The favorite candidate for governor on this site ran for office once and lost, too. At least they both took the  risks of running for office, and exposing themselves to pointless attacks like these here on MLN.

This all feels like an inverse of the perfect is the enemy of the good logic.  

[ Parent ]
Usurp (4.00 / 3)
There are wider definitions of usurp, and the second definition fits best here:

2. to use without authority or right; employ wrongfully

Mertens was entrusted to use the CFL against Lieberman. Mertens violated that trust -- employed CFL wrongfully -- for his own idiotic campaign.


2. senselessly foolish or stupid

Ned Lamont served in Greenwich town government, and he built a business. When you serve in town government, you establish relationships with people in the community and with the town's political parties, etc. When you build a business, you develop relationships with all sorts of people. Those people encouraged Ned to run.

[ Parent ]
Did not mean to give you a 4 (0.00 / 0)

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I'm happy you're at 1 % too (0.00 / 0)
And expect you'll be there in 20,40 and even 80 years from now if you're lucky enough to live that long and that that choice will mean you'll have had the same effect on any policy that you have to date,ZERO.

[ Parent ]
The Duopoly (4.00 / 3)
I challenge anyone to watch this and say they disagree with his fundamental message of changing the two-party duopoly, enacting fiscal responsibility, staunching burgeoning prison populations, and legalizing.

I disagree. If I had to make a list of 10,000 problems in America that needed solving, I can't say that ending the two-party system would be on that list. Human beings are pack creatures -- we come together to do things. The two party system is a persistent feature of our social structure, and while another arrangement might be better or funner or what have you, it doesn't strike me as being an actual injustice or anything.

There's no shortcut to change that doesn't involve getting more than half the people on board with your plans. Believe it or not, you can dislike a lot of Democrats and still see the party as a vehicle for accomplishing the things you want. Other minor parties (actually only WFP that I can think of here in the area) are not committed to ending the "two party duopoly", but rather, to accomplishing a series of specific programs. That is actually useful, but doesn't put abstract political science points above results.

As for the specific issues (prison populations, legalizing drugs), it's pointless to get into those kinds of things when discussing minor parties. The point of most minor parties, at present, is to dump on the major parties. If a candidate were good on prison policy and decriminalization, they'd get attacked for not supporting impeachment or some shit.  

[ Parent ]
The Duality of Political History Regarding Parties. (4.00 / 1)
 Keith and Ken represent the duality of political history and the equally valid positions  that progressives have concerning political parties..Some Progressives  take a more idealistic approach like Ken  and some take the more incremental approach like Keith does.If american politics were in herently static there  still would be a thriving Whig Party.The Republicans grew  out of the Whig Party  for a host of reasons, among them slavery.They grew in stages, complete  with a emerging super structure that grew as more people signed onto the republican party.The CFL  to me, isn't a party which is capable in the long run of replacing  the Democratic Party nationally and thus folks like Keith who have toiled in the political vineyards  for years  tend  to get pissed  when they analyze Professor Mertens as undoubtedly siphoning off critical votes away from Dodd, who supports a robust public option.On the other hand Ken has a vaild point in that both parties  are inherently corporatist  and rely on the support of those favoring corporations,the defense establishment,wall street  etc  for the bulk of their support.

 Except for the advent of the Republican Party, american history has been unkind  to 3rd parties and they havent yet emerged  to replace a major party.Eugene Debs got the closest in 1912...until George Wallace and Perot...but both were far far away  from establishing a real 3rd party.The evidence suggests that americans are quite satisfied with a two party system.

Here's the difference (0.00 / 0)
I can point to people in Political offices I've helped elect and I can point to issues where those people had direct input in the form of their votes that got laws passed that made those issues a reality(same sex marriage and public financing of elections are two examples).Ken CAN'T and never will be able to because he hasn't figured out yet that before you can govern you have to win the election.

Ken chooses the easiest place in politics there is.this is to stay on the outside and throw rocks at the windows instead  of coming inside and doing the hard work and yes,the compromising,neccasary to move issues important to him forward and instead continues the same losing pattern over and over.

One of the most radical people I know,Bruce Rubenstein,learned the lesson Ken still hasn't a long long time ago.


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Eyes Wide Open (4.00 / 1)
In a perfect world, you would be totally right:

...before you can govern you have to win the election.

But I can't help thinking about the shenanigans, corruption and outright fraud in recent elections. If you're not a part of the oligarchs' agenda, you haven't got a chance. The folks that Ken stands behind are outsiders, but for a different, more sinister reason...

The battle Ken fights is a noble one, however quixotic it may be, and hopefully there will come a day when you see that. I had a dream a few months back that you finally got tired of ridiculing me for my 9/11 work, and decided to look at the evidence. I don't know how the dream turned out because I woke up with a start.

"If those in charge of our society...can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves." ~~Howard Zinn

[ Parent ]
Purity of Spirit (4.00 / 1)
Too much hassle to figure out. I want someone who will vote the way I want on the things that I notice.  

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Remember that 'one last word' I'd thought I'd say? (0.00 / 0)

Maybe it as a few more than one.

Now some of those very same activists are furious at Mertens for risking their overarching goal: Maintaining ballot access so that the party can be used to mount an offensive against Lieberman in 2012. Some have also voiced concern that Mertens, who is also seeking the endorsement of the Green, Independent and Libertarian parties, could play the role of spoiler and cause Dodd to lose his Senate seat.

To get the full flavor of the disagreement, check out the comments on Daily Kos.

Maybe more than a few. There were some pictures - Tessa supplied  original CFL videos. Firedoglake came in to smack down someone who dared disrespect CTBlogger. I used my TU zapping ability. Pow! (My bad).

Thanks, everybody for having my back. CFL's memory and philosophy as an institution was (and is) one of Myleftnutmeg's proudest moments.


CT Bob's videos (0.00 / 0)
MBair was also at the 2nd CFL meeting, laughing her mASSachusetts off.

There are more fine memories. It was a great day when the NY Times had that article on CFL and Orman  

"I am not a Blogger...But I play one on the internet."

[ Parent ]
Ken and Keith (0.00 / 0)
 Both men ARE  noble in the cause of promugating a progressive agenda.Their difference's really has  to do with a long term strategy and short term tactics,  which is an age old difference for many within the Left.Significant numbers  within the Left adhere  to either  the "inside" or  "outside" long term strategy so we should wish each of them well and go about our business as best we can.

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