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#ctgov Ned and the Money

by: GrandOleVipers

Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 16:43:52 PM EST


Perhaps one of the more interesting stories taking shape around the 2010 CT Governor's race, is the questions around whether Ned Lamont will use CT's landmark campaign finance reform program (the citizen's election program) or choose to self finance with his large personal wealth he amassed from inheritance and starting a cable company.

From a blog today in the New Haven Advocate:

Ned Lamont is exploring a run for governor and he's also exploring the idea of ignoring Connecticut's public campaign financing system. The Greenwich millionaire used $15 million of his own money in 2006 when he ran against U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman. He won the Democratic nomination in a primary that year but lost to Lieberman in the general election.

Some folks close to Lamont say he's about to reach into his deep pockets again.

If Lamont does use his personal fortune to fuel his campaign, it could put more pressure on the already stressed-out public finance program. That's because the campaign finance fund would be required by the law to give Lamont's opponents matching grants equal to what Lamont is pumping out if he goes over the statutory spending limits for participating candidates.

Lamont showed up at a state employee union food drive event Monday, but he wasn't in the mood to talk about whether he'll be using his personal fortune in the governor's race.

"I'll let you know," Lamont said. "I've got to see what the law is."

He's got to see what the law is?

This is the same public campaign finance law that he's praised in the past; the same one that's been hailed as a major step toward removing the influence of special interest and lobbyist money on Connecticut politics; the same program that is supposed to face it's biggest test in next year's statewide elections; the same funding system that could be in crisis because of Connecticut's huge budget gaps.

He's got to see what the law is?

Lamont was the hero of the Democratic left three years ago for taking up the anti-war banner in his challenge of Lieberman. He lost to Lieberman in large part because Connecticut voters didn't know who he really was, a natural reaction to Lamont's almost total lack of experience in politics.

His biggest challenge this time will be to convince those same voters that he knows what he's doing as a candidate for Connecticut's highest elective office.

It seems it might be to Lamont's interest to avoid language around the law. Ned has a very strong chance at winning this election either way being the current Democratic front runner, but it will be telling to see if he sticks by his principles of supporting Campaign Finance Reform or chooses to self finance.

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Right now there is no "Campaign finance Law" (4.00 / 1)
Since it was struck down as unconstitutional.

Ned did the only thing anyone considering running for Governor with an IQ higher than their age would do(that list doesn't include Jim Amann) and said as little as possible.

The Advocate reporter showed himself to be an ass.


Actually (0.00 / 0)
Since the decision is stayed for the duration of the appeal, there is indeed a Campaign Finance Law in effect.

[ Parent ]
Since nobody knows exactly how long the appeal (0.00 / 0)
will take and whether or not the law will be followed as written in the 2010 election yet that still puts anyone considering running in limbo.

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Seriously, it's still to be decided (4.00 / 2)
Until the law is fixed or the court ruling overturned, Ned can't say if he's gonna take the financing or not. Hladky seems to be more interested in making the story about himself than discussing the facts.  Kind of a dickish job of reporting if you ask me.  

Connecticut Bob

We're lost when we start putting winning ahead of principles (0.00 / 0)
Bob, from one of your posts 367 days ago:

But I can't help but believe that this will only help ensure cleaner elections and encourage citizen participation in state government. This is a good thing. Be sure to let your legislators know that you support the Citizen's Election Program, and that you expect them to fight for it!

Now that your candidate is the guy who will probably blow it up, it doesn't seem important to you at all.  I'm not trying to be antagonistic - but where are we if we put winning ahead of values??

Ned should ABSOLUTELY say UNEQUIVOCALLY: "If the system exists (which I will do everything in my power to ensure it does), I will use it."  And his supporters should all call on him to do so.

He himself made a big stink about Campaign Finance Reform in '06...I'm ashamed now to see progressive dems ignore this altogether because now it's their guy who stands to benefit.  That's not very progressive at all, this is the same politics everyone stood against in '06 they themselves practice. Shame.


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NOBODY here said anything even close to what you're accusing (0.00 / 0)
them of.I certainly still support the spirit and the letter of the Campaign finance law we helped get passed but right now noone can be 100% sure what the rules will be in 2010.

PS- Greenwich MILLIONAIRE and former President George W Bush BFF Foley said last night he was considering running for Governor instead of Senator.Since NOONE knows what the rules of the mnoneygame will be NOT shooting off your mouth is exactly what any serious candidate will do until things become ALOT clearer.


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Why? (0.00 / 0)
And I'm truly not being facetious or rhetorical - but why should Ned not come out and support the CEP?  If it is still blown to shreds, he has something to lose?  I really might be missing something, here's my logic;

I can't see how he loses anything.  He's already committed to not take special interest money, and he can't be faulted if he spends higher than CEP limits if it doesn't exist and his opponents do.

But we all stand to lose by not supporting it.  Ned Lamont's a good guy.  But not all millionaires are (as you point out above).  So then we're back to either the rich or purchased.

Our legislature doesn't know their front from their back, and they need all the pressure possible to do the right thing here.

He needs to support it right now and so do we.


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"your candidate" (0.00 / 0)
Not sure Bob has come out in support of anyone yet. The rest is just concern trolling.  

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Where did I say I was against public financing? (4.00 / 1)
We're not ignoring this program.  As I mentioned, the court reversed the law.  I guess it's stayed for now, but that still doesn't settle the issue. What if the status of the law changes mid-campaign? What's the legal resolution for that? You're asking Ned to commit to something that isn't fully resolved yet.

And any time someone says something like this, it raises a red flag with me:

'Ned should ABSOLUTELY say UNEQUIVOCALLY: "If the system exists (which I will do everything in my power to ensure it does), I will use it."  And his supporters should all call on him to do so.'

How about letting him decide how he wants to address the issue. I'd much rather let Lamont use his common sense than simply be reactionary, like so many politicians are these days.  

Connecticut Bob


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Silence is deafening (0.00 / 0)
What raises a red flag with me is that now we wait to let Lamont make a decision on this, when it is clearly critical that he support it.  Every other democratic candidate has on the record statements in support of the system.

This is such a double standard.  Let's let Lieberman use his common sense.  If we don't press politicians for what is important, we let the game of winning take precedence before any actual change.

You don't come out and say you are against it - your willingness to be silent on this good fight now is a far louder statement.  Please, all of you here, I would like you to prove me wrong.

It is incredibly clear that most of this site are Ned supporters, and important ones at that.  Ned has the opportunity to do something significantly good and fight for Campaign Finance Reform in a meaningful way beyond lip service - and when some think it may not be in his own best interest (which should not take precedence over the best thing for CT).

If we do not encourage him to do so, we are just political hacks.  It's just about our guy winning, and we've lost even if our person wins.

This is 'landmark' legislation.  We can't throw it away and let someone blow it up now, because it benefits us.  That is "reactionary politics" - not telling someone you'd like to represent you how important something is.


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Here's how I see it (0.00 / 0)
Lamont can't decide on taking financing until the legal standing of the program is finalized.  And he's being pragmatic because what if he commits now to public financing (while he's still in exploratory mode) and then someone like Linda McWWF jumps in with $50 million or more to spend (which BTW was largely financed by a poorly-executed state tax credit)?  Ned would be stuck. I'm not thrilled by this prospect but it is what it is.

Let's wait and see on this. We've got plenty of time still. If Ned self-finances after ALL his opponents take public financing, then I'll have plenty to say about it. You can trust me on that one. Fair enough?

Connecticut Bob


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Thanks (0.00 / 0)
Let's wait and see on this. We've got plenty of time still. If Ned self-finances after ALL his opponents take public financing, then I'll have plenty to say about it. You can trust me on that one. Fair enough?

That is refreshing and very fair, and I hope others would share the same sentiment.

And not to diminish that open discourse - the only thing that still worries me is that I see Ned being able to exercise a large impact on this by being proactive, yet there are no indications he will.  Can he not still make statements about the importance of the program, call on the legislature to fix it, etc?  Other candidates have.

Consider that he makes supportive actions of the program:

a) it falls through - what does he lose by supporting it?

b) it works, but Republican opponents don't abide by it - then there is a clear distinction in the mind of the voters of principles versus purchasing an election.  Something we do not have from him if he waits to see what they do.  It's equal guilt then.

I still stand by that we should, as progressives, push this issue now to prevent Foleys and McMahons while simultaneously preserving the things nearly all of us have stood behind prior.  This isn't the only issue around this election - but it is a critical one that affects elections for years to come.  Ned is the front-runner, his actions set the pace.


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Appreciate it (0.00 / 0)
And, being a progressive, I'm totally pushing the issue of public financing as much as possible. I'm sure Ned agrees with that.  Maybe you should come to his Dec. 10th event in New Haven and ask him yourself how he'll handle the issue. Details below:

https://services.myngp.com/ngp...

Connecticut Bob


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Thanks for the invite (0.00 / 0)
I've already asked him...and so have many others.  He refuses to give an sort of substantial answer (especially with press around).  This is why I believe we need to push him to go on the record (at least in support of the system - that does not mean he has to decide to take part in it yet).  The special session will now address this - and the last thing we need is our greedy legislature thinking they can get a win out of this by not doing the right thing.

Happy Thanksgiving!


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. (0.00 / 0)
It is incredibly clear that most of this site are Ned supporters, and important ones at that.  

Delusional.

Beyond that, are you going to start crying about how all the other candidates -- and they are clearly candidates -- are running the "exploratory" charade to raise excess money from large donors?  

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gobble gobble (0.00 / 0)
Hey Matt,

They're all in exploratory phase, except for Amann - who was forced to declare because of violations.  The exploring candidates like Bysiewicz, Malloy, Lebeau, Cafero have all adhered to the CEP no donations above $375.  Much better than the thousands previously afforded from large donors.

I think my statement was fair - ctbob, ctblogger, kantrowitz, and many others with effective voices (whom I all respect) are Ned heads and many more I would suspect.  I'm sorry if that didn't include you - but I'm certainly not delusional.  Campaign Finance Reform is very important to me, and Ned's decision on this is critical.

Happy Thanksgiving.


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"exploratory" (0.00 / 0)
It's horseshit -- just exploiting a loophole.

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Grossly hypocritical (0.00 / 0)
This writer would demand that Ned Lamont force himself into the straightjacket of public financing.  Yet he makes no demands that the Republican candidates do the same.  Seems as though this poster is interested in tying Mr. Lamont up in a system that limits his ability to mount a strong campaign, while turning a blind eye to the Republicans.  Linda McMahon has already spent millions on TV ads, and Tom Foley reportedly intends to spend millions of his own money as well.

Let's be clear.  Ned Lamont spent a goodly amount of his own money in his senatorial campaign in order to remain competitive with Joe Lieberman, who spent more than Lamont, but just did it with millions from his Republican millionaire buddies.  But it was Lamont who was labeled as the rich guy, while ignoring that many "rich guys" were aiding Lieberman.

It makes as much sense to box in Mr. Lamont on public financing as it did Barack Obama in the presidential campaign.  If the Republicans eschew public financing, why should Mr. Lamont be required to accept it?  And how will public financing play with the public this time round?  The state is mired in a deep fiscal deficit with cuts to education at all levels.  Will taxpayers really want Mr. Lamont to be dipping into state funds in these economic conditions?  Will he not be bitterly resented for taking public funds when he has his own private resources?  And will the Republicans not use their usual cynical, hypocritical methods to turn the tables on Mr. Lamont, saying that they are using their own resources while Mr. Lamont rips off hard-pressed taxpayers?  Five will get you ten that that's exactly what they will do.

If the Republicans once again dip into their big-money corporate fat-cat pockets to fund their campaigns, it would be stupid to demand that Ned Lamont tie his hands behind his back with public financing.

And let's be clear that a gubernatorial campaign is far different from a state representative campaign.  The former demands major outlays of funds to become known in all corners of this state and to utilize television advertising that is among the most expensive in the country.  A state rep can effectively run with public financing because he uses it to get his message out to a limited area and a small realm of voters.  

Unilateral disarmament is stupid.  But that seems exactly what "GrandOleVipers" wants Ned Lamont to do.  I hope Ned Lamont is too clever to take the bait.  


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Uncertain Status of CEP (0.00 / 0)
For a good discussion of how uncertain the status of CT's public financing is see
this from CT News Junkie.

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Grossly hypothetical (0.00 / 0)
In no way what so ever is this true.  I'm not even addressing the federal process - that's an even bigger problem, and one that deserves equal scrutiny.  What McMahon does is not acceptable at all...but that's not why this is interesting:

Leaving Republicans alone on this issue? No.  But I'm far more concerned about an issue important to progressives being dismantled by a self-proclaimed progressive and his supporters.

Your argument focuses on somehow assuming the republicans sweep in and spend millions - something that can really only be set-up by our democratic legislature believing there is a benefit in not salvaging the program because a democrat can benefit.  Grossly hypothetical.  I absolutely demand the republican candidates do the same with CEP - and believe if they do not they will lose for it, as well as not gain advantage because of an intact CEP program that accounts for this.  But that only works if we stick to our principles.

What is grossly hypocritical is to constantly call Joe Lieberman a turncoat when he turns on the democratic stance on health care, but then fail to see how negatively Ned will affect Campaign Finance Reform with this decision - the Obama federal rules he was forced out of and CEP are VERY different programs.  Even so, Obama came out in support of CFR and only didn't use it when it had become a system that was unfair.  Ned isn't even supporting this right now.

Yeah, terrible analogy - but those seem fair here when it comes to Ned (at least one way).

If the Republicans blow it up, fine, and then Ned can opt out gracefully like Obama.  But right now, it is in many ways his move to save this program.  And there has been nothing but continually dodging the question/issue.  Be direct at least - say you support it but not sure you will use and explain why - but his silence only indicates looking for a competitive advantage - and at the expense of his principles.

I do not want to see Ned Lamont unfairly disadvantaged.  I also think it is more than fair to not want to see him unfairly advantaged by money (even against the worst of republicans).  On a level playing field - I will be the first knocking down every door to make sure the right person prevails but not if it is being bought.  Our politics has to stop being about this.

Is that such a terrible thing?

You're right in '06 it was Lieberman who actually bought the election.  This '10 governor's race is not that same race, and we have to stop making it such.  He gave me goosebumps too.  I'm excited he's in.  But despite all of that, I'm not cool with losing the progress on the Campaign Finance Reform, in our state, we've made thus far, -- to him.

I don't see how we can deny his words and actions(or right now lack thereof) are critical on this issue.


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I think (0.00 / 0)
Hladky's pretty good

Joe No Mo'
The Connecticut For Lieberman Party seeks to transcend Joe Lieberman
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
By Gregory B. Hladky

This point is especially topical and pertinent:

Led by Fairfield University Professor John Orman, a few of those Lieberman critics took over the dormant CFL to continue their anti-Joe crusade.

"That's what it was all about," said Sue Henshaw, a liberal Democrat from Trumbull who was one of Orman's original CFL allies. Henshaw said Orman "signed over" the leadership of the CFL to Mertens with the understanding it would retain its anti-Lieberman character.

So just zip it, both of yooze.  


This is a Ned-Can-Do-No-Wrong Zone (4.00 / 1)
My former attorney noted that Ned can't even tell you what the presumption of innocence is...

Norman A. Pattis, in his weekly CT Law Tribune column, hammers Lamont for not understanding a basic tenet of the American judicial system.

Headline: In Courtroom, Candidate Just Didn't Get It

Pattis' introduction:

I would not normally write about the voir dire of a prospective juror. I respect how difficult it is to answer questions in open court in the presence of strangers. But I am going to make an exception just this once. I am going to make an exception because the prospective juror is a public figure and is now interested in becoming governor of the State of Connecticut. The man's candid answers under oath are worth pondering.

I was surprised when Ned Lamont surfaced in a jury pool in Stamford in the wake of his race against Joseph Lieberman for the U.S. Senate....

The important stuff. As part of voir dire, attorneys often ask a question such as this, Pattis wrote:

"Suppose the judge asked you to vote, this very minute, on whether my client is guilty or not guilty of any or all of the crimes charged. Based on your life experience, the legal principles you learned about today and what you've seen in this courtroom, how would you vote?"

The question is designed to test willingness to apply the presumption of innocence. A vote in the absence of evidence should be "not guilty." That is axiomatic.

Lamont's Answer:

He told me he couldn't vote, because he had no evidence.

Pattis' summation:

"You're going to think I tricked you in a moment, so let me apologize now," I said. "Can you see how if you used the presumption of innocence we just discussed, your vote right now would have to be 'not guilty' because you have heard no evidence?" Most jurors blush a little, or nod in recognition of a lesson newly learned.

Not Ned Lamont. He started to argue with me. He just didn't seem to get that in a criminal trial, the starting point is the presumption of innocence. He looked betrayed by the question and started to quibble about whether the presumption of innocence really did require a vote of not guilty in the absence of evidence. The prosecutor and I quickly looked at one another; even the judge seemed startled. Ned Lamont, erstwhile candidate for U.S. Senate, was either unable or unwilling to understand the presumption of innocence.

Umm, so Pattis rejected him as a juror.

I don't think I need to say much else. I repeat my assertion: Lamont is a lightweight.

The presumption of innocence is something that I have enjoyed, and my life would be very different without it. Ned Lamont does not seem to understand it. This is problematic for a man who seeks to hold a position which includes the ability to commute a capital crime and oversight of certain parts of the judicial system, including its budget.

Perhaps Lamont can be schooled, and learn such things.


Ken (0.00 / 0)
Is that the Same Norman A Pattis whose wonderful lawyering just resulted in 90% of your case being thrown out of court in a summary judgement?

Next time,if you want better results, find a lawyer who enjoys doing his job more than grabbing headlines.


[ Parent ]
That's Not Relevant (0.00 / 0)
And I see Ken's point.

"If those in charge of our society...can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves." ~~Howard Zinn

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Well (0.00 / 0)
with heavyweights like you and Ken on their side I can hardly wait to see who you 2 decide to put all that weight behind.

PS-  I didn't notice Ken wrote FORMER attorney.Care to explain Ken?


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Heavyweights Like Ken (0.00 / 0)
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America needs more like him. Thank you, Ken. I wish I had your courage and insight. Keep telling it like it is.

And speaking of heavyweights, here's my kind of Governor:

http://www.latimes.com/enterta...

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"If those in charge of our society...can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves." ~~Howard Zinn


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I read about that (0.00 / 0)
here, with comments:

Not that these guys are biased or anything:

Provocative assertion from Pattis. This posting is copy-and-paste "journalism" at its most highly refined. The rules of blogging are pretty loose I guess but if you're just going to pass along this kind of highly damning stuff, you might at least give Ned Lamont a call to get his side? Or invite him to watch 12 Angry Men with you and advance the story.
Posted by tom gogola on 11.17.09 at 5.43

tom gogola is right. even though he looks a little like saddam plucked from the spider hole with his new beard, gogola makes a good point about lamont having a chance to respond. maybe ned never watched judge wapner....
Posted by andy bromage on 11.17.09 at 11.55

This just in: Andy Bromage is the best thing that ever happened to the New Haven Advocate, not to mention his handsome and will-trimmed beard, which is hot.
Posted by tom gogola on 11.18.09 at 8.09



Why single out Ned? (0.00 / 0)
Ken, I find myself agreeing with you about half the time, but in this case, I don't.

The only reason Ned beat Lieberman in the 2006 primary is because he had his own money. If Ned runs against a corporate-backed Republican in a general election, or a corporate-backed Democrat in the primary, he'll face those same disadvantages.

Lightweights can't plop down $10 million for a governor's race.

Do we have pledges from every other candidate that they'll be using the Citizens Election Program? If so, I haven't seen them.

If not, the fact that Ned's in the race might encourage candidates in both parties to make that pledge -- because Ned can access millions at the drop of a hat, and they can't.

The Citizens Election Program was designed to prevent corporations from buying elections -- and to give ordinary people a larger voice in government. Well, corporations can't buy Ned -- he doesn't need their money. And his last race brought tons of ordinary people into politics for the first time in their lives.

Honestly, it makes no sense, strategically, for Ned to commit to anything right now.

I wish journalists would ask every candidate if he/she is willing to make a pledge to use the Citizens Election Program. If Ned sees that everyone else -- Democrats and Republicans -- has committed to it, then he probably would too.


Ned is singled out, (0.00 / 0)
Because we hope he is a leader.  Your entire argument suggests he should wait on others (most all of whom actually have worked under by the rules and supported CEP) to make decisions on this.

If Ned sees that everyone else -- Democrats and Republicans -- has committed to it, then he probably would too.

That is not leading.  He has the chance to lead this issue - and his decision on this in many ways will determine how our awful legislature decides to act.

I want a Governor who will lead on issues, not strategic winning decisions - I have to believe each of you do too.


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why bring a gun to a knife fight? (0.00 / 0)
Ned doesn't have to be the first to declare on CEP to prove he's a leader. He proved that in 2006.

Where were ALL the other Democratic politicians in 2006 when CT was looking for a candidate to run against Lieberman. They were hiding under their desks.

Ned has nothing to prove in the leadership department. If Foley decides to run for Governor, is Foley going to use the CEP? Should Ned be limited to $6 million or less in financing if Foley starts spending double that?

Being first to declare on CEP isn't leadership. It may be stupidity, actually.


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Leader? (0.00 / 0)
I'm not going to let that go: Ned has tons to prove in the leadership department seeing how he's never actually done anything in government besides run in a primary.  Voters saw that in 06 when he lost, but that's a different conversation for a different time.

You misunderstand the CEP, if Foley runs with more money CEP accounts for that.  What it does prevent is a spend off between candidates.

Further, I cannot believe that we would idly sit by as now two people would try and purchase a race.  Foley will get called on it, and if Ned doesn't take action - he will too.  You shouldn't need to be a millionaire to run for office, Republican or Democrat or Independent.

This really is a Ned can do no wrong zone - please, as his supporters, encourage him to do the right thing here.  His decisions can make a tremendous difference in the future of CT politics.


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CEP is not a test of leadership (0.00 / 0)
... it's a political strategy. Obama shrugged off campaign financing against McCain because McCain wouldn't agree to do it in a way that was equitable to both parties, and Obama was taking in tons of small donations online.

Leadership is running a campaign against a 3-term incumbent Senator who's a sellout to the Democratic Party.

Also, just so we're clear, Ned WON the primary in 2006, and he brought about 30,000 new Democrats to the polls, changed the whole conversation about the Iraq war, which led to sweeping victories for Democrats in 2006 and 2008.

Joe Courtney, for one, would have lost in '06 if it weren't for Ned Lamont.

Secondly, who says no one's encouraging Ned not to use campaign financing? He simply shouldn't be bullied into a timeline for declaring. It's stupid. Have them all declare together -- that would be a great show of Democratic solidarity and a great show of support for the CEP.

In the general election, see what Foley does if he's the candidate. The CEP doesn't match an unlimited amount of campaign spending. The cap for a governor's race is $3 million, I believe, and if an opposing candidate exceeds that amount, the CEP will pay up to double the $3 million. I doubt that Ned really wants to spend his own money, by the way, so I doubt he'll need a ton of convincing on the CEP.

Finally, there are soooo many other issues that I'd like someone to show leadership on. For instance, who's going to be the first one to put out a plan to reign in CT's outrageous energy rates, or who's going to suggest we start regulating CT hedge funds?

CEP is a big issue too, but it's one of many big issues.


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I knew (0.00 / 0)
That the instant I challenged the leadership thing this would get derailed, I should have exercised better judgment.  But boy, I had no idea Ned Lamont who didn't win a general election was responsible for every other democratic victory except for his own in 2006 and 2008.  Thanks for the education on that.

Courtney won because of the GOTV at UConn.  I was there working it, there's much much much more Lamont could've done to help out and didn't.  The 06 elections were a referendum on GWB.  Ned got the democratic nod, but didn't take the general.  Should we hail Destefano for winning a primary in this race last time too? No, if we want change we need to put someone there who will do something about it - but doesn't sacrifice principles along the way around issues like CEP.

Finally, there are soooo many other issues that I'd like someone to show leadership on. For instance, who's going to be the first one to put out a plan to reign in CT's outrageous energy rates, or who's going to suggest we start regulating CT hedge funds?

I agree with you on that - but Lamont hasn't stepped up on any of these things either, I can be won over by him if he does.  CEP - This isn't the only issue - but it's the one this thread is about.


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Face facts ... and stop campaigning for Malloy (4.00 / 3)
Some basic facts about 2006...

1. Joe Courtney won by a handful of votes in 2006, and if it weren't for Ned's GOTV efforts, which brought thousands of new Democrats to the polls in CT, Courtney would have lost. Period. Seeing that you can't acknowledge that basic fact tells me you have serious anti-Lamont bias, which explains a lot about this diary.

2. If you really cared about CEP, you might have posted a diary about it, or even made a comment about it, at least once in the past. Oddly, you never have.

3. If you really cared about CEP you would be hounding Dan Malloy, and the other candidates, about campaign financing too.

But a quick scan of your past comments and it's obvious why you're hounding Ned, and not Dan. Here is where you begin to campaign for Malloy. And here is where you begin to campaign against Ned.

So, stop campaigning for Malloy by trying to trash Ned. You should understand that the reason a lot of people don't like Malloy is for what are perceived to be his harsh campaign rhetoric and tactics against DiStefano in the last governor race.

Understand this: I LIKE Malloy. I think he'd make an outstanding governor. But you and he aren't going to make any friends around here by trashing Ned. It's stupid.


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Hit the nail on the head! (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
wow (0.00 / 0)
1. I'll tell you what: I was there in 06 as a volunteer, if you were also on the ground we can agree to disagree, it just seems like otherwise you're playing Monday morning QB with someone who was actually there.  Credit is due to the Mansfield/College Dems, UConn's GOTV and free frostys, and a general hatred of GWB.

2. I'm pretty new here.  I guess.

3. I don't have to - and this is where you are way off - they all have already made statements in support of CEP.  Jim, Gary, Rudy, Dan, Susan, and even Cafero and Fedele.  There's one candidate missing here.

4. "Trashing?" I'm pointing out an important issue that (at least at one point) many of us cared about, and arguing why Ned should support it.  I also stand up against him getting credit for many others hard work.  I think you're being a little too sensitive on his behalf.

I've also directly said that I'm not shy about admitting who I support right now.  I, however, don't see the conspiracy theory connection.  This has once again turned away from the issue and into 'winning'.  I'd actually imagine Dan has a lot to gain from no CEP with Fairfield county in his backyard.  It saddens me that you would try and discredit this issue this way.  I would like to believe that if I was a die hard Ned head, I'd care equally about this issue.  

I really fail to see why asking Ned to support this has created so much animosity.  Sure, we clearly have differing opinions of Lamont, but can we not save that for another thread?  This issue is important - beyond the 06 elections.  I concede that I shouldn't let the two be confused here either.

Understand this: I like Ned.  He's a wicked nice guy.  He seems to genuinely believe in making things better.  Right now, he's not who I think I will support.  He can make leaps and bounds on this by proving a commitment to principles beyond winning - and I'm certain that isn't just with me.

Is it so unreasonable to ask this?  The other candidates have.  I do not expect Ned to disadvantage himself by supporting this - if the GOP doesn't play by the rules, no one will fault him - I will knock on doors and
donate as much as I can.  

I also don't think it's unfair to also not want Ned to have some advantage due to wealth.  He's got a lot more going for him.  I believe in this system, and a fundamental need to have politics be less about money and more about the candidates.

Maybe this is where the key difference is: What does he really lose by supporting this?  I don't see how that is anything, and perhaps this is the source of the disagreement here.


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easy math (0.00 / 0)
1. Courtney won by 83 votes.  

Lamont's PRIMARY brought in 30,000 new Democrats. That's about 6,000 new Democratic voters per District -- for the primary. Courtney needed pretty much every single one of those new voters to win.  And yes, I was on the ground working that GOTV -- during the primary and the general election.  

2. You've been around since August. The CEP has been in the news a lot since then. Not a peep about it from you until this diary.  

3. The candidates don't have to decide on campaign financing until they are actually candidates. If other candidates have implied that they would use campaign financing once they become official candidates, good for them, but they could just as well be lying for all anyone knows. McCain pulled a similar stunt in the 2008 race.

4. Yes, twisting the words "I have to see what the law is" on campaign financing into a diary titled "Ned and the Money" and blockquoting the New Haven Advocate's ridiculous hit job is what I would classify as "trashing" Lamont.

Tell me, what is the law on campaign financing?

"There are already a number of candidates for governor and the legislature for the 2010 election who are campaigning and raising money under the public financing system," Rell said in a press release Wednesday. "But because of the court ruling, they are operating under a cloud of uncertainty." [...]

What concerns lawmakers the most is a provision in the law that says on April 15, or if the decision to delay enforcement of the lower court's ruling is lifted, the fundraising system will revert back to the way it was in 2005 within 168 hours, or seven days.

"I have to see what the law is" seems like a reasonable answer to me.  


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the law is easily found (0.00 / 0)
1. Well then, I will stick to my word and continue to disagree here, but drop it.

2. It is only since November has there been a DEMOCRAT who hasn't at least feigned support for this program.

3. I see your point.  I still contend they should support it.

4. This wasn't a favorable piece, no.  I found myself agreeing with the incredulity of him not being able to take a stance on that.  I'm pretty sure this isn't a place where we all try to find the most rational piece and then go from there.  The controversial piece certainly got a big response here - that's a win for everyone, agree with me or not, a lot of good discussion around this.  Trashing would be taking things a lot further than that IMO.

CaptCT - I promise I'm not being rhetorical here:

Do we really disagree here that much outside of how we view Lamont?  Why is that becoming the point of contention outside of the issue?  You asked why Ned is singled out earlier - he is literally the only person in the field alone on this right now - is it unfair to point that out?

Do you not want Ned to support CEP, even if he does OR doesn't agree to use it now or later?  Are you ok with him not using it IF every other person does?

My consistent take is this:
The legislature is meeting in special session now to try and save the program - something even Gov. Rell called for.  It would be important for Ned to support this initiative.

We're all talking in many hypotheticals, myself included.  So one step at a time - as a Democratic candidate for Governor, seeing how all other Democratic candidates have, I strongly believe Ned Lamont should support CEP in a statement in order to encourage our legislature to continue to keep this program.  His participation is certainly circumstantial, and three steps ahead of where we are now.

Tell me, what is the law on campaign financing?

All the details can be found here: SEEC .

A quick Google can help anyone see what the law is, what the issues are, and how the legislature will be meeting on this soon.  "I have to see what the law is" works once (and it is bizarre to me that he hadn't seen this somehow before filing paperwork in this race) Now, a position on CEP please.


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ignorant of the law (0.00 / 0)
The CEP was ruled unconstitutional. For all intents and purposes, THERE IS NO CEP as of right now. Do you NOT understand that?

The state legislature has to have a special session on December 15 to fix the law or it will no longer exist. Read this.

If you really cared about the CEP, you would have posted a diary urging everyone to email their state senators and representatives and the Governor to ask them to make the necessary fixes to preserve our public campaign financing system, make sure it's adequately funded, and that it's no longer unconstitutional.

So, contact your state legislators and the governor and tell them to fix the law.  


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Actually (0.00 / 0)
Only certain provisions (the minor party provision and the trigger provision) were ruled unconstitutional.  The judge was OK on the law itself.

[ Parent ]
So there's no need ... (0.00 / 0)
to contact Rell and state legislators because everything but the minor party clause is fine.  

[ Parent ]
Nope - it underscores the need for a fix (0.00 / 0)
People who support the program should absolutely contact members of the legislature.  My point is that the program is fixable, and our lawmakers need to do so.  Governor Rell has called for a special session of the legislature on December 15th in order to do so.


[ Parent ]
You know, GrandOleViper (0.00 / 0)
I only know one blogger who actually dislikes Malloy. Most have just come to dislike his online supporters enough for it to rub off of the man.  

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[ Parent ]
Anyone should be able to run for office competitively (0.00 / 0)
Oh, come on.  The Jeremiah Wright argument.  This is an important issue - I do apologize if you were offended by my way of bringing it up, but I think now focusing on who I like in this race is silly.  Who I support is subject to change this far out.  My stance on this issue is less so, and I thought it completely fair to discuss here.

I'm not trying to get the last word, so if there is more to say, then by all means.  But now until we see what happens on Dec. 15th, it's a waiting game, and I think trying to get Ned to support this is futile.  Why don't we just revisit it then when we finally understand where the program is?  I'll write a diary then.

I've sent emails to my legislative representatives, and all of the potential candidates for Gov. I know of.  If this issue is important to you, please consider doing the same.


[ Parent ]
your concerns ... (0.00 / 0)
... about Ned and the CEP are not widely shared. But thanks for bringing it up.

[ Parent ]
Leader (4.00 / 1)
A leader is having 30,000 new Democrats follow you to the polls.

A leader is taking the right stance on the Iraq War, and seeing just about every Democrat in the country follow your lead and move to your position -- and win on that position.

I can go on, but you get the point. I really don't have a horse in this race right now, but making me defend Ned Lamont makes me see all his good qualities all over again.

If you want to make this race about attacking one candidate, we can all play that game and bring down everyone in the party. So, I'd leave that alone.



[ Parent ]
A leader (0.00 / 0)
Takes the "right" stand on Iraq but remains silent while Israel/America drops white phosphorous on Lebanese civilians?

And so Joe Courtney won on Ned's coattails, as did a bunch of other Democrats across the country. In fact, the Democrats won the House and Senate on Ned's antiwar stance. And what did they do with it?

And what would Ned have done had he made it into the Senate? My bet is that he would've stepped in line under intense pressure.

Or would he have bucked leadership and forced the rest of the Democrats after the 2006 midterm win to hold the Bush administration accountable for war crimes?

Could he have forced the the rest of the Democrats to hold hearings in Congress on the bubble economy and stop the financial industry from destroying our economy? If we think that Hadassah's ties to big Pharma impact Joe's views, would Anne's venture capital history influence Ned's picture on regulating the financial industry?

Do we all see him at the lead of the Democratic charge to challenge the for-profit health insurance industry and creating medicare for all instead of forcing people to buy a product from a corrupt industry...

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe we need to give Ned a chance in office to show his vaunted "leadership."  

But I keep thinking about Ned's unapologetic support for Israel. Add that to the rest of the Democratic party showing such a craven streak, I don't know that Ned can make a difference.

When Ned was winning, the national party jumped on the "populist" wave, rode it to victory and rejected the people who brought them there.

Does that history for Ned translate into an ability to create a new culture in Connecticut governance after it has been hobbled by 16 years worth of disastrous GOP rule? Which was entirely enabled by sordid Democratic leadership? (Think DeLuca and Gaffey).

Has the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate used their subpoena power to investigate corruption? Have they ever used the subpoena in our lifetimes?

No. Then why have Lisa Moody testify if you are not going to subpoena documents? Why have Len Boyle and Daryl Roberts testify about my arrest if you are not going to demand more than a dog and pony show?

Can Ned change this climate? I don't think so. I've never heard him say a word about Rowland/Rell's corruption.  


[ Parent ]
You forgot Darfur (4.00 / 2)
Ned didn't end the killing in Darfur. Nor did he stop the destruction of Brazil's rain forests ... or child labor in the Pacific Island countries.

You can only look at what he did do. And he's done more, as a candidate, than others have done as elected officials.

Again, I don't have a horse in this race -- I think each of the candidates has strengths and weaknesses. But if you're going to attack Ned, who isn't even an elected official, for the Israel/Lebanon War, then you also have to criticize every other candidate, including Republicans, Greens, and CFLers, for also remaining silent on that issue.    


[ Parent ]
Israel/Lebanon (0.00 / 0)
I bring up Israel/Lebanon because that was the July 2006 battle in which Ned stood by silent. He could have differentiated himself against Lieberman by being anti-war across the board. He didn't.

Ned is clearly against some wars, but not others, and in my book, it is disingenuous to be anti-war in some wars and be pro-war elsewhere.

Killing is wrong. Ned did not speak truth to power when the white phosphorous hit Lebanese civilians in July 2006. Ned wanted to be powerful, so he avoided truth.

He had a chance. Child labor and greenhouse problems are always an issue - did Ned make that a campaign issue? Unfortunately not, so while in a larger sense he is accountable for that, his acceptance of Israel's bombardment of southern Beiruti neighborhood is far more egregious, and does not demonstrate the leadership.

And his hedging on CEP is reminiscent of his hedges in 2006. This is who he is.


[ Parent ]
Wait a minute (0.00 / 0)
You're saying that Ned Lamont is a hypocrite unless he declares himself a pacifist, that he must be against all wars to satisfy you?  That won't happen.  There are some wars that are necessary: the Korean War, WW II, WW I, the Civil War.  To suggest that Ned was wrong not to condemn Israel for fighting back against the launching of missiles at its people and its land by sworn enemies of its existence is unfair and wrong.  

I will not condemn Ned Lamont for standing up for Israel's right to defend itself and survive as a nation.  And I doubt that many Americans or residents of Connecticut would do so either.


[ Parent ]
War Crimes (0.00 / 0)
Israel's July 2006 attack was a disproportionate response to a kidnapping, not the launching of missiles, and it was a war crime. The Israeli Air Force, with American backing, destroyed entire residential neighborhoods.

This was not a defense to national survival, this was designed to send Lebanon back to the stone age. And it is neither unfair or wrong to say that our leaders should stand up to such barbarism. Ned spent a ton to buy himself a platform, and then went along with the dismemberment.

It's kind of a knee-jerk reaction, TJ Hooker, to say that Israel reacted solely because of missile firings. Yes, there were rocket attacks here, but the trigger point is  generally considered Hezbollah's abduction of Israeli soldiers, in response to Israel's abduction of Hezbollah personnel.

I am not defending either side. Such tactics are reprehensible. But Israel's subsequent unleashing of the dogs of war on Lebanese civilians is behavior that we all must condemn, candidate and citizen alike.

I disagree wholeheartedly on the doctrine of just war, and since it is not apropos of the CEP, it is not worth approaching in this thread.

Ned spent millions of his own money in the Senate race, and never once mentioned that kind of election spending should be restrained or financed by the public fisc.    

 


[ Parent ]
I strenuously disagree (4.00 / 1)
I do believe that there are just wars.  Israel was right to fight back in 1967 and 1973.  The Palestinians want to destroy their country.  The day that the Palestinians put forth a proposal to recognize Israel and draw Israel's borders on a map will be the day that Israel should stop defending itself from its sworn enemies, and not before.  

And I also strongly believe that no country in the world should, or would, sit idly by as missiles are shot into its territory from a nearby region by people who are sworn to destroy that country.  Hezbollah is the enemy of Israel, as is Hamas.  You certainly are defending Hamas by condemning Israel's attack on their forces in Gaza, yet saying nary a word about their attacks on Israel and their kidnapping of an Israeli soldier.

I'm with Lamont on this.  


[ Parent ]
Lamont did more for peace (4.00 / 1)
... in 2006 than any other candidate or elected official.    

[ Parent ]
because (0.00 / 0)
Ned gets singled out because he is the only one with the wealth to blow this system up actually in this race.  

He gets singled out because many people who supported him, including the folks over at CCAG, worked hard to get this program established, prove it can work, and have made it clear they will do whatever they can to see it preserved.

Ned gets singled out because this system has improved our democratic process, opening opportunities for new candidates and their ideas to be heard and in many cases elected.  

If he blows it up, we go backward.  That's why he gets singled out.


[ Parent ]
who says he's going to "blow it up" (4.00 / 1)
First of all, other candidates have money too. Republican Tom Foley is now running for governor, and he's loaded:

Foley's main advantage in a Republican primary would be his significant personal wealth. (He had donated $500,000 to his Senate race but informed observers believe he could easily make a seven figure donation.)

Secondly, because of Ned's personal wealth, Ned is least likely to rely on corporate money to finance his campaign.  

So, get all the candidates to agree simultaneously that they're going to use CEP. That's the most fair way to do it.


[ Parent ]
This is what concerns me (1.00 / 1)
You didn't seem to say congressmen should wait until other congressmen agree to pass the FEC in your diary here.

Why, now, all of a sudden does everyone seem to have bendable principles on campaign finance reform.  You said it best:

Secondly, because of Ned's personal wealth, Ned is least likely to rely on corporate money to finance his campaign.

It's still the same problem.  The precedent is set for others.  Just because it's Ned, we can't let this go.  We all pressed for this, and now all of a sudden its a political game when it could advantage someone we support to not have it?  Please, take the same steps to support this in CT as you did in the federal arena.


[ Parent ]
I didn't single out one Congressman (0.00 / 0)
... in that diary. I said that "my Congressman" should support the Fair Elections Now Act, while making people aware of the bill and implying that ALL Congressmen should support it.

I think it's pretty consistent, actually.  


[ Parent ]
This is complete garbage (0.00 / 0)
I suppose you believe that Barack Obama "blew up" the system of public financing at the presidential level, too, right?  Sure!  If he hadn't opted out, he would have lost.  While the Republicans didn't match him at the direct contribution level, they made up for that deficit with massive unlimited contributions to the party and other organizations that assisted McCain.  

Your statement that Ned is the only one with the resources to "blow up" the public financing system is pure fiction.  Ever heard the name "McMahan" before?  How 'bout "Foley"?  No?  Are you totally oblivious to all the big donors over on the Republican side who helped Lieberman outspend Lamont in his senatorial campaign?

This attack on Ned Lamont makes absolutely no sense, and, in fact, you're losing whatever support you might have on other issues as well.  I sure as heck hope that Mayor Malloy isn't egging you on to do this, because that would piss off a lot of people.

If Ned Lamont is going to mount a strong statewide campaign against the millionaire Republicans running, he'll have to use some of his own funds. The people of New York City didn't mind too much that Bloomberg did it.  Can't be all that bad.  It's hypocritical of you to go after Ned while saying not a word about the Republicans.

I'm done here.


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