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The Truth About Jim Himes' Greenwich Town Hall Meeting

by: thomashooker

Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 11:22:39 AM EDT


Following is a comment I posted at Connecticut Local Politics, which, as usual, is being "held for moderation".  Of course, the original posting that quoted a highly distorted and dishonest report by Teri Puhl was published right away.  I think it's important to get the truth out, so here it is:

This report is a pack of lies. First, Teri Buhl did not attend Lawrenceville Prep with Jim Himes, because Jim Himes never went to Lawrenceville Prep. He attended and graduated from a public school, Hopewell Valley Central High School in New Jersey.  Second, the strong majority of the audience was in favor of health reform and the public option. I was there, sitting half way up on the middle isle on the right side. No one who attended that meeting could suggest that the anti-reform people were in the majority. It was a clear lie. And the audience inside was closer to three hundred people counting all those standing in the back. It was also not true that anyone packed the venue. Lots of people showed up early enough to get in. The person at the front of the line to get in was against reform. That woman, who had a nametag with "Ann" on it, started out by defacing an entire sheet of stickers that said "I support the public option". Real class act! And according to Greenwich Post reporter Ken Borsuk whom I spoke with as we were leaving the meeting hall at the end, the crowd outside numbered about a hundred and were evenly split between supporters of reform and those against. So most of the people who wanted to get in did get in.

Furthermore, I went outside afterwards to the front of Town Hall where Congressman Jim Himes came out to address the crowd. There were not eight police officers out there. I could see the gathering clearly, as I stood to the left of the main entrance about ten feet away from the steps. There were about fifty people remaining, most of whom were against reform. There were three police officers: two who were stationed at the front door of Town Hall, and had been stationed there since before the meeting began, and one additional officer who stood at the back of the crowd. The suggestion that Jim Himes was somehow protected by a phalanx of cops is a lie, although that sort of dishonest reporting is the hallmark of Greenwich Time's Neil Vigdor, who reported that. There certainly was a need for police officers, however, because the people in the crowd were ugly and bent on trying to harass and intimidate anyone who disagreed with them. When Congressman Himes came out to talk with them, they yelled insults, shouted him down, and generally acted like the low-life thugs they were. They frequently refused to permit him to answer their questions, and shouted him down when he tried to. It was a thoroughly disgraceful display by people whose behavior treaded the line that could have had the cops putting them in handcuffs.

thomashooker :: The Truth About Jim Himes' Greenwich Town Hall Meeting
Regarding the venue, let's be clear that Greenwich Town Hall has served as the site of all of the town hall meetings that our congressmen have held for many, many years. Chris Shays held all of his town hall meetings there as well, and they were well attended, especially during the Iraq War period. Indeed, I was opposed to Mr. Shays and his policies and attended numerous town hall meetings over the years and asked him pointed questions. But at no time, at no public meeting was he ever shouted down, interrupted, or treated with any hint of disrespect by me or by anyone else. If one attended the town hall meeting Mr. Shays held in February 2003 on the eve of the invasion of Iraq at Westport Town Hall, or watched it on C-SPAN, or listened to the recording later, it was evident that though a large majority of the people attending were against going to war, no one ever treated Mr. Shays with disrespect or attempted to disrupt that meeting. His May 2005 town hall meeting in Darien regarding the Bush administration's attempt to privatize Social Security was also held in Darien's Town Hall, not in the high school, though it was highly controversial, and most in the audience were opposed to his position. But in Darien as well, which I also attended, no one tried to shout him down, disrupt the meeting, or verbally or physically intimidate Mr. Shays or anyone else. So the behavior of those at the Greenwich meeting on Monday who intentionally tried to shout down Mr. Himes and to disrupt his appearance inside Town Hall disgraced and embarrassed themselves and set a sad precedent for our democracy.

The report mentioned that Jacqueline Walsh had "done her homework". You've got to be kidding. The right-wing reporter for Greenwich Time stated that she "put Congressman Himes on the spot." Again, ridiculous. Ms. Walsh asked Congressman Himes about "death panels" and about the public insurance plan's making decisions to stop health care to the elderly or the terminally ill. That gave Mr. Himes the opportunity to inform her of the truth: there is no death panel in the bill; no one will be killed off because they're old, or denied care because they're elderly. It was completely false. Far from "doing her homework", Ms. Walsh was exposed as believing myths and lies.

The grossly dishonest Buhl article completely left out all of the people who spoke out in favor of the public option and health care reform. Again, for anyone who attended it was abundantly clear that the majority of the people attending were in favor of reform. There were about twelve rows of roughly fifteen chairs on each side of the room. On the left side there was a group of anti-reform people in one row who occupied about twelve of the seats. Most of the rest were pro-reform. There were only scattered individuals on the right side of the room who were against reform, with a number of anti-reform individuals standing in the back.

At one point early in the meeting, Mr. Himes asked all those with health insurance to raise their hands, which was a large majority. Then he asked those who were satisfied with their coverage to keep their hands up. A number of people's hands dropped, though most stayed up. Then he asked those who were on Medicare to raise their hands. Roughly a quarter of the audience seated raised their hands (so much for the assertion that the meeting was packed with investment bankers). When he asked those who were satisfied with their Medicare coverage to keep their hands up, I think one person put her hand down. That showed everyone in attendance who feared what government-run health care would do to them how American seniors are, indeed, satisfied with the health insurance they are receiving from the government.

The reports also left out the fact that Congressman Himes and the moderator from WGCH in Greenwich worked hard to identify and call on those people who seemed to be against reform. Congressman Himes repeatedly pointed to people standing in the back who were clearly against reform, even though in the beginning they were behaving like cheap thugs bent on disrupting the meeting and repeatedly tried to shout him down.

Mr. Himes was calm and dignified the entire evening, responding to one bizarre assertion after another with the facts, treating each questioner with dignity and respect. What Teri Puhl failed to report was all of the people who stood up to tell their stories about private insurance nightmares. Ann Lyons, whose family has suffered from Lyme Disease, described the hardships they had suffered at the hands of private insurers who repeatedly denied her family the treatments they required. Said Ms. Lyons, whose eyes brimmed with tears, "It's hard enough to fight the disease; I can't fight the insurance companies, too." Congressman Himes made a point of recognizing Greenwich Republican selectman Peter Crumbine, who called for tort reform as a part of any health care reform program. Mr. Himes also recognized Greenwich's former Democratic first selectman (mayor) Richard Bergstresser, a retiree from IBM.

One woman pointedly and accusingly asked Mr. Himes whether he'd read the health care bill. Congressman Himes, a Harvard graduate and former Rhodes Scholar, responded that not only had he read the bill, he also pointed out the other voluminous bills he had read in their entirety. Mr. Himes was also asked whether he as a congressman, would subscribe to the public option himself. He answered first by saying that he would demand that the health care options for the American people included in this bill be extended to all members of congress, and that he would oppose carving out any exceptions for congressmen. He then said that just like every other American, he would evaluate the insurance options available to him and choose the best one for him and his family.

As the meeting proceeded, and Mr. Himes answered question after question from scared, angry, distrustful opponents with the facts and with a calm demeaner, the mood in the hall began to calm down. Though the anti-reform individuals began the night intent on disrupting the meeting, frequently shouting him down and casting derisive comments at those supporting health reform, as it proceeded, and it became evident that all of their suspicions were not based in reality, they quieted down. By the end of the hour and a half the room was quiet, respectful, and everyone was focused on Congressman Himes' responses to the questioners and everyone listened to the questions coming from the audience without trying to shout them down.

Congressman Himes stood his ground. He stated clearly and repeatedly that he viewed health reform as a moral issue. He stated that he never wanted to have any child in America to be denied health care because its family couldn't afford it. He expressed his support for a public option to compete with private plans in order to reduce costs and improve service to patients, though he also made clear that he was not in favor of a change to a single-payer system. He said he was open to tort reform, but that he would not back any plan that precluded the right of any American to go to court to seek redress from a hospital or doctor who had through malpractice inflicted injury. Though he expressed the caveat that he did not want to see drug prices reduced to the level below which R&D was discouraged, he expressed his support for permitting Medicare and the public option plan to use economies of scale to negotiate lower drug prices from the pharmaceutical makers. Congressman Himes also repeatedly pointed out that health care in America was already rationed, and that it was far preferable that whoever was making decisions regarding what procedures or medicines were necessary would be individuals selected by elected representatives and held responsible to the American people by their elected representatives than private insurance company employees who could not be held accountable. He also expressed his support for ending the hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies that the Bush administration had begun to pay to get them to take seniors off of traditional Medicare.

The quiet tone of the meeting by the end was punctuated by the last questioner, Dr. George Ubogy, an elderly doctor of internal medicine in Greenwich. Dr. Ubogy, in a quiet voice, began by saying that he was surprised at all of the comments raising doubts about a government health plan, because in his experience as a physician it is the private insurance plans that are far more inflexible. He pointed out how restrictive the private plans are in requiring patients to see only those doctors and specialists who were in their provider network. Medicare, on the other hand, permitted all of its patients to go to virtually any doctor who accepts Medicare patients, which Dr. Ubogy stated, includes most doctors.

At the end of Dr. Ubogy's comments, Mr. Himes concluded the meeting. By that point just after eight o'clock, the audience had quieted, pointed questions had been answered, sometimes more than once, and it appeared that the warm applause he received came from everyone in the audience. And he deserved it. Mr. Himes had treated everyone with respect, answered every question, clearly made a concerted effort to seek out questions from those opposed to health reform, stood his ground on his own positions on health reform, and acted like a leader.

It's just too bad that some, like Ms.Buhl, would report so dishonestly about what happened at that meeting. Those who attended that Monday evening meeting, as did I, know the truth.

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A couple more points (4.00 / 2)
Hey TH, I was also there. Got a couple refinements of some of your points.

First, I was the first one to notice those ladies stealing and defacing Laura's public option stickers. That was actually done by Janet Lockton, wingnut extraordinaire and former Republican State Rep.  "Ann" was her friend.

Next, I think the crowd was somewhere between 200 and 225, simply because 300 would be way over capacity and the fire marshall wouldn't have allowed it.  But you are definitely right that the anti-reform crowd was by no means the majority, certainly inside.  Outside, I was told by a a guy I know who was on the teabagger side that the crowd was also pretty evenly mixed, and they had a vigorous debate.  Since he didn't claim a majority for their side, I highly doubt they were. Unfortunately, by the time Jim walked out most of our folks had gone home, so it was an angry crowd that greeted him.  And police had to intervene at one point because a couple of the teabag goons were on the verge of physically assaulting Ed Krumeich, ranking Democratic member of the BET.

Last, the lady who asked the "did you read the bill" question was actually asking about the Waxman-Markey cap & trade bill that the house voted on before the recess.  She said it over and over for several minutes.  When she finally ran out of breath, Jim calmly replied that yes, he had read the bill, even the 300-page supplement provided late in the evening, and even though it meant staying up until 2:45 AM to do it.  But he noted that he "got a bye" on 100 pages of the supplement, because he and a congressman from New Mexico had written that section.


Thank you very much, D! (0.00 / 0)
I was just a couple of people behind the lady named "Ann"  when we were waiting in line to go in, and was there when the woman giving out the stickers found out that they'd been defaced.  It was incredible.  What disgusting people.  And a Republican lawmaker was guilty of that sort of behavior?  Shameful.

Thank you so much for clarifying the point about the woman who asked if Jim had read the bill.  I was confused by her question, and I asked Jim's communications director if he could clarify his response to her, because he really took the wind out of her sails and seemed to score heavily with the anti-reform folks who were there (haven't received ana answer yet).  But didn't she also ask about the health care bill?  Wasn't that part of her question, with Jim including in his response how he had read the cap and trade bill and others?  You clearly have a better recollection, and I'd stopped taking notes by that point.

But thanks for the added information!

Did you see them go after Ed Krumeich?  I was a few feet to his left while he was demanding that the goons let Jim Himes answer the questions put to him.  They were definitely pissed off that anyone would dare to talk back to them.  I staid for about ten minutes, perhaps less, so I didn't see anyone threaten Ed.  GT reporter Neil Vigdor was a few feet to Ed's right, but I suppose telling the truth about those thugs would have ruined Vigdor's right-wing narrative.  Did you recognize any of the thugs out there?

And did you see any more than the three police officers?


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Post Script (4.00 / 1)
I ran into Ed outside the Norwalk rally; and while he didn't go into detail, he did confirm to me what I had heard from another pro-reform person who arrived too late to get in.  Apparently, both Ed and my friend friend tried to reason with this bunch of goons and both said it got pretty scary. I was told that the police did need to be called.

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Cudos (4.00 / 1)
to Congressman Himes, who has the courage to hold a town meeting, aware that he will be facing crazy oppositional behavior and rudeness.

He has the presence of mind to answer all questions with respect and clarity.

An important rule of dealing with angry, crazed behavior (like tea baggers, borderline personalities, abusive spouses, two-year olds, etc.) is to remain calm, not react to their craziness and stay reality based.

Their behavior then stands out for what it is.

It's a pleasure to know this man represents the community - unlike some of our other representatives who are taking pre-screened answers in "open" forums and cowardly ducking their responsibilities.  


Neil Vigdor's Town Hall Report (4.00 / 1)
As usual, Niel Sleeze Vigdor has done it again, criticizing Jim for the expenses local towns have had to incur to control the crazies hell bent on disrupting civil discussion.  Take a look at this article entitled:"Cities and towns foot the bill for Himes health-care forums"
http://www.greenwichtime.com/c...

I left this note on the GT blog:


Leave it to Neil Vigdor to blame Jim Himes for ensuring that citizens could participate in the health care Town Halls without risking life and limb. Does he mention the obnoxious goon in Norwalk who attempted to wrestle the microphone from a cancer victim concerned about losing her health care when her COBRA ran out? Of course not. Does he report that police needed to be called in Greenwich to control a crowd of rowdies who arrived too late to get into the Town Hall, but nevertheless were harassing respectful citizens who also were stranded outside? Of course not. Does he mention that, when the Town Hall was over, Congressman Himes took the trouble to talk with this noisy bunch of Neanderthals?  Of course not.  Neil Vigdor's agenda is not to report the news; he deliberately intends to distort it.  If those intent upon killing health care reform behaved themselves like average citizens, there would have been little need for "crowd control."  The police did their job because Vigdor's pals never learned how to behave respectfully.

So who actually is to blame for the cost of all this police protection?  And why does Vigdor continue to point his finger in the wrong direction?


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stop picking on neanderthals (0.00 / 0)
Hey now, that's completely unwarranted.

All available archaeological evidence indicates that H. sapiens neandertalensis actually cared for their sick, their old, and their disabled.  Unlike this crowd, one of whom actually told me she didn't want uninsured people getting coverage because there wouldn't be enough doctors and nurses to go around.


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I Stand Corrected! (0.00 / 0)
It was a matter of not wanting to repeat (too often) any number of the more appropriate words currently being employed to describe these teabaggers, crazies, hate mongers and ignoramuses. :)

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