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Jim Himes Wants More Time To Be Accosted By Teabaggers on Health Care

by: tparty

Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:04:12 AM EDT


Central to the Blue Dog/insurance industry/Republican-led efforts to kill health care reform has been their strategy to delay until the fall the House and Senate floor votes President Obama originally wanted before August. By playing for "more time", and by assuming the on-the-ground reality we are seeing now - the rabid response of the right wing against any health care reform in August town hall meetings - the Blue Dogs fully expected the terms of the national and local debate to shift against health care reform the longer the process was drawn out.

Delay was so central to their strategy that when, as part of the Waxman-Blue Dog "compromise" in the Energy and Commerce Committee, a floor vote in the House was delayed until September, Blue Dogs proudly declared "victory":

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) said she believes the Blue Dogs have scored a major victory by getting leaders to back away from their goal of having the House vote on a healthcare bill before members return home for the month of August.

"We've achieved the victory of not having a vote on the House floor that will give every member a chance to digest what's in the bill, whether it's in a markup that occurs in Energy and Commerce or whether it's as the bill exists right now," she said. "It is because of the Blue Dog Coalition that there is no floor vote before the August break."

The Blue Dog "victory" was to kick the can down the road, wait for Obama's approval ratings to fall back to earth, and allow the teabaggers, the insurance industry, and the Blue Dogs' right-wing allies in the Republican party to attempt to shut down democratic debate and beat the crap out of progressive members of Congress for an entire month.

This is the same rhetoric of delay and obstruction which Joe Lieberman used in 1993-1994 to help kill health care reform then (and which he is, of course, reprising today).

Yesterday, in a conversation with the editorial board of the Stamford Advocate, Rep. Jim Himes, describing himself as a "tempermentally centrist" Democrat who "tend(s) to not tow the party line," proudly voiced his support for the Blue Dog strategy of delay:

Speaking to the editorial board of Greenwich Time and The Advocate, the first-term congressman said there have been several major instances where he has broken with his party's leadership since taking office in January.

Chief among them, Himes said, was his siding with Republicans and conservative Democrats in the House who want more time to digest a sweeping health care reform bill before it comes up for a vote.

"If something as important as health care reform can't stand five weeks of scrutiny and debate, then we probably should go back to the drawing board," said Himes, who defeated 21-year incumbent Chris Shays in November.

We have had 15 years since Joe Lieberman helped kill the last failed attempt at health care reform to digest the issues at hand.

And while self-described "centrist" Democratic representatives - including those who could not have been elected without the hard work of progressive activists - are busy happily applauding every day that goes by that more and more of their constituents lose coverage, go bankrupt, and die due to lack of health care reform, the national debate on this issue is meanwhile rapidly being digested and excreted on their heads by an organized right-wing effort of which they are at best an unwitting ally, at worst an active participant.

I only hope every Democratic Representative who shares these sentiments will truly enjoy the enlightening "scrutiny and debate" that crazed right-wing mobs are bringing to their town halls this month, thanks entirely to their painfully disappointing refusal to stand up and lead on this issue.

tparty :: Jim Himes Wants More Time To Be Accosted By Teabaggers on Health Care
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Kudos to Jim Himes (0.00 / 0)
The fact that Rep. Himes thinks its prudent to take time to scrutinize legislation around what might possibly be the most important votes of his first term shows the 4th District made the right choice in Nov.  

I trust Jim Himes to see beyond the "mob" and be part of crafting useful legislation.

Let's get it right the first time instead of rushing legislation that will fail.  


The danger (4.00 / 1)
is not in "rushing legislation that will fail." The danger is in slow-walking the process until the point at which no meaningful legislation, with any chance of success, can possibly pass.

Of course all legislation should be scrutinized closely, and there should be enough time provided to do so. But the kick-the-can rhetoric is not useful to anyone except those who want to completely gut and/or kill this bill.


[ Parent ]
Kudos and Komments on Yesterday's Session (0.00 / 0)
Kudos to Jim for managing a session far, far better than his predecessor who would gather questions and then prattle on until the clock ran out. Jim seemed very sincere in wanting to explain what was in front of him, taking questions and responding to them. That was good.

What was questionable was the number of speakers and amount of time hearing those against single-payer. It may have been that there were many more speakers who were agin it, but so-called centrist ideas were more familiar to the good congressman.

I wouldn't even have bothered to write this were it not for my phone conversation this morning with an online pharmacy who couldn't tell me how the current prices for my meds under an insurance plan compared to Medicare prices. It was mind-numbing: the complexity, confusion, cost, and consumer-unfriendliness. I'm lucky to have choices. The system works against the ability of an individual to gain beneficial care and to understand those choices. Insurance companies are "doing their job." Too bad it's on our dime.

Singe-payer to the rescue? Perhaps. A care-system like France's? Ahhhhh; am I dreaming?


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Had a cortisone shot yesterday (0.00 / 0)
for a herniated disc - what a difference it makes. The pain is manageable, finally. It took months of flailing around wasting time with physical therapy, narcotics, acupuncturists, etc. before I came to this point. Unbelievable.

What really pissed me off is that my elderly mother is getting the same run-around. Her highly educated Greenwich doctor also got a sick look on her face when I ask for something reasonable - an effective pre-assessment of the problem (an MRI). The doctor used a hammer on her knee, asked her to swing her leg back and forth, and had her touch her toes. The problem, doctor, is - uh, duh in the back. No, physical therapy isn't going to show us what the matter is. Nope, we're not going the chiropractor route. I know you hate me, but tough toenails, doctor.  

Connecticut teachers are going to be mandated to use 'Data-Teams' which will use collaboratively created pre-assessments before an instructional unit. Wouldn't you want to have a good handle on the data before you provide instruction or medical remediation? I would think so - and does it really matter how hard it is to do, or how expensive it is? The flailing around, the failure of providing inappropriate strategies well outweigh the cost of an effective pre-assessment.

Too bad doctors are afraid to prescribe a test that's stonewalled by insurance companies - but an MRI really isn't expensive, when you consider the alternatives.


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Appeal appeal appeal (4.00 / 1)
just get the procedure done anyway and go through the appeals process

You'll meet about five or six times with about 15-20 Anthem and state employees, they'll look at you with sympathy and kindness and then deny your claim. Each time they'll spend about 45 minutes with you asking the same questions over and over again. Bring letters from your doctors as to why you needed the procedure.

in the end you'll get a letter saying yes this was the final appeal and they denied it anyway

during this process someone will have paid the bill anyway because they don't know their ass from their elbow and when all is said and done... it will have been covered and you'll have gotten the medical care you needed.  

.Adding Another Dimension of Vituperation Toxicity to Blogging since 1999!.


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This would explain the change in last night's townhall (4.00 / 1)
..with Himes in Stamford. It was originally slated to be about health care, and then seemingly changed to the pressing FAA Airspace concerns over Stamford.

I noted it here:

http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/di...

If this is indeed what happened, changing the topic at the last minute, then Jim Himes may be heading towards what all politicians of any stripe should avoid at all costs: spinelessness.


Wrong (0.00 / 0)
Vice versa - it was originally an FAA meeting, and then altered to be partially about health care.

[ Parent ]
Ah.....wondered wth was going on there (0.00 / 0)
So, was any of it finally about health care or was that dropped?

[ Parent ]
I was there, (4.00 / 1)
Jim Himes performed admirably.

I'll try to post the footage later today.


[ Parent ]
Looking forward to the video (0.00 / 0)
I am sure it was a welcome change from Chris Shays' town halls, where the loud erratic outbursts and filibustering monologues usually came from the speaker, not the crowd.

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Any regrets? (0.00 / 0)
Tparty, I know how hard you worked for Jim in 2008 --- do you have any regrets? At the time, did you have any indication or inclination that Jim would join the New Democrat Coalition? Are you prepared to say you don't support Jim's reelection in 2010?

Just curious, and I think your post is provocative but helpfully so.


No (4.00 / 1)
And I am absolutely not saying I would not support his re-election. I hope no one mistakenly takes anything like that away that from this post.

It has been very hard, however, to stand by and watch as health care reform is weakened, slow-walked, and now subject to the tactics of violent right-wing mobs, and profoundly disappointing to see so many Democrats act out of fear or weakness on an issue that will determine the fates of both the entire Democratic agenda and countless American lives, and which also looks less and less likely to result in any real reform (that is not an insurance industry giveaway) with every day that ticks off the calendar.

This is probably the whole ballgame for Obama, the Democratic party, and by extension, for the future of our country.  


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Public option (0.00 / 0)
Call Rosa, Chris, Joe, or John all staffers will tell you that their Rep. strongly supports a public option. Call Jim Himes office and they will tell you that they can not speak for the congressman.

Why folks thought the Himes meeting was going to be about health care (thank Healy) (4.00 / 1)
"Just" want to set the record straight...early last week word got out that Republican Town Committee members were being urged to go to Himes's event which was listed among others being held by Murphy and Courtney re health care.  Before checking with Himes's District Director (first error) I posted it on my.barackobama.com and reported it to DC.

After contacting Himes's office and telling them we were sending supporters their way, they told me "wait, wait, it's a meeting about FCC regulations!" I changed the text of the event shortly after that but because I didn't let DC know just as quickly, they sent out an email from 'me' (before letting me know that they were doing it) using the original text. The text of that email has been copied in various Republican blogs as evidence that the Himes folks changed the meeting focus at the last minute. Not so; just a couple of snafus as Organizing for America in CT gets ...organized. (Been at the job 2 weeks...getting there...)

 Himes's staff was very gracious about my part in the mix-up - and in fact he ended up holding a very productive extra hour on health care. Lines of communication are now clear, between district offices, OFA and DC! Cheers, Jen Just, State Director, Organizing for America.


 
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