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The Man Speaks

by: Scarce

Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 21:45:38 PM EST


Ned Lamont speaks with Alison Stewart, subbing for Rachel Maddow.

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Aargh!!! You just beat me! (0.00 / 0)
I thought that just once I'd get a video up quicker than you.  I should've known better than to try to beat the master! LOL!

Someone please delete my diary; even though I have FP access, I'm not a mod.  Thanks!

Connecticut Bob


Done (0.00 / 0)
A better image still is coming so others don't get confused.

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"Never say never" (0.00 / 0)
Well, 4 years is a looooong time. But, sounds like Ned Lamont is keeping his options open for 2012. Just by listening to this interview, he seems to have grown more comfortable as a politician, which would serve him well in future campaigns.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.

I was working on a diary (4.00 / 1)
But this one,on the recommend list at Kos,expresses where I am better than anything I could write right now.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

This hurts,really bad, but if President Elect Obamas decision in this matter(and it WAS his decision so stop blaming anyone and everyone else) bears fruit it may well be the most important one he has made to date.  


I don't agree with the premise (0.00 / 0)
Namely, that this was about retribution. It was as Ned says above about rewarding bad behaviour. That in itself is never a good thing.

The political considerations over-rode all else though. The Democrats (which seems to mean Obama now) just didn't want this on their plate at the moment. There is also the very real possibility Lieberman will hang himself in the future, leaving Obama with no alternative. One false step, one wrong move and Lieberman's short leash he's now on will get yanked. This fixation with 60 Senate seats also seems to have been a huge factor.


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There might be a deal somewhere in there (0.00 / 0)
I'm starting to think that maybe the Dem leadership made a deal with Liebs, something that would ensure his vote and his support if they gave him back HCS.  I've no idea WHAT the deal consists of, but it does sound like the kind of back-room deal the Democrats are so fond of.  

Lieberman is very much an ego-driven character, and the chance to rehabilitate his legacy as a "born-again Democrat" might appeal to his psyche sufficiently to get him back "on the reservation".  

Hey, it's as good as any explanation I've heard so far.

Connecticut Bob


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"I was lost..." (4.00 / 1)
"But now I'm found!"

"And now I have a Chair to rest my weary sinning body on..."

"Amen."

Pass the perks.


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The senators can not remove Lieberman from his Homeland Security chair (0.00 / 0)
once the 2009 Congress is set unless a majority, not sure if it needs 2/3rds or just a simple majority, votes to removed Lieberman from his chair.  The Republicans will vote to keep Lieberman there.

The Senate Dems most likely have not made a deal with Lieberman.  They would not want one done to them.  Lieberman will screw Dems on foreign policy and other issues.  He voted for anti-choice Alito to the Supreme Court after voting to block the Dem filibuster of his appointment.


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This was Obamas Call (0.00 / 0)
Which to me means it was a decision made from a position of strength.

Lieberman has ALWAYS sucked up to power in order to increase his own standing and I expect he'll do the same in the next 4 years before he retires.

As for whether what people were looking for was Retribution,Punishment or not rewarding bad behavior I think  there were some looking for 1,2 or 3 or any combination you can come up with and in the end that is just semantics.

We,as Ct. progressives, have too many important  decisions to make for 2010 to allow Lieberman to be the ccenter of our Universe.


[ Parent ]
Nate Silver's take (4.00 / 1)
That wizard of statistics from 538.com basically has this to say about L'Affaire Lieberman:

So how you feel about Lieberman should ultimately hinge on how you feel about Obama, and how you feel about Obama should ultimately hinge on your opinion about whether he is liable to put that political capital to good use. If you believe Dean's implication that Obama is going to use that political capital to pass both significant climate change reform and significant health care reform within the first two years of his presidency, you probably ought to give him the benefit of the doubt. If, on the other hand, you see Obama as someone more concerned with the accumulation of power toward ambiguous, uncertain, or incorrect ends, this is liable to be the first of a long line of displeasing decisions, and you had better get used to pushing back against the White House.

Whether it is fair or not, I think a LOT is expected from Obama by the whole country (liberals, conservatives and everyone in between). And like, I've said before, I hope Barack Obama knows what he is doing with keeping Lieberman close to his vest.

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. --Martin Luther King, Jr.


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Run Ned, Run! (4.00 / 1)
Watching that interview, it struck me that Ned seemed to be really thinking ahead to 2012 in terms of how to frame Lieberman's actions... he seemed to take a wider view, which hints to me he wants to reach progressives but also some of the newer Obama voters who may not have been so tuned in to the 2006 senate race.

Just thinking ahead here, one of my main worries is that Lieberman would attempt to weasel his way back onto the Democratic slot in 2012. One would think that would be much harder if a known name was in the way, especially one with an organization and a record. And while I don't anticipate any less of a could shoulder from the DC Democratic establishment in a 2012 general election, it will be at least interesting to see exactly how long a leash (or perhaps, a bungee cord) Lieberman is allowed over the first Obama term. My guess is that by holding on to the chairmanship he's hedging a bit that if Obama stumbles he can capitalize by calling investigations, and grandstanding like he did during the Lewinsky scandal (after all, he did that and still had Bill Clinton's assistance during the '06 primary).

If Obama doesn't slip up, Lieberman knows he's going to have to tap in to both Republicans and Obama voters to win in 2012... so he's gonna have to do a lot of tapdancing over the next administration. Whether Lieberman can get Obama's tacit or explicit seal of approval in 2012 depends on him doing just enough to be perceived as an ally. He had tacit support from Republicans in 2006, and if he can't run as a Dem he will still likely need the same kind of tacit approval from both sides.

Sorry about rambling on here. But if nothing else, just seeing Ned on TV/youtube is a much-needed boost to my morale today after the Senate Dems rolled over.  

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffet


I would like to sing "Goodbye Joe" again (0.00 / 0)
I just don't understand why we don't talk about the real step of recalling or impeaching Joe Lieberman.

I'm sure there are risks because traditionally it takes Republicans to help elect Senators here, but I think the tide is turning already. During the campaign, Joe looked like John McCain's cocker spaniel. Is he really going to be a Democrat in any genuine and practical sense?

When Joe was campaigning against Ned to keep his seat despite the verdict of the primary, we fashioned a great rendition of the Hank Williams' tune, Jambalaya: "Goodbye Joe, you got to go, me-oh my-oh." I would love to get the chance to play it again (we played it for Joe at a parade when he walked by).


There is no recall provision in CT (0.00 / 0)
Connecticut is one of the 32 states which has no legal process that permits the recall of a US Senator.

[ Parent ]
How Can any State Recall A US Senator? (0.00 / 0)
If the Constitution doesn't allow it.

[ Parent ]
Here are the provisions (0.00 / 0)
I don't know that there is a specific part of the Constitution which deals with the subject. The last time it happened the courts overthrew the attempt.

United States Senator Frank Church of Idaho was the subject of an unsuccessful recall effort in 1967. Courts ruled that a federal official is not subject to state recall laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/l...


[ Parent ]
No Recall For Senators Anywhere (0.00 / 0)
Your site is for the recall of state officials. There is no recall for federally elected officials anywhere in the US - the Constitution controls.

[ Parent ]
All means all (0.00 / 0)
..including members of the U.S. Congress. If you'd read the site/s you'd have seen that. It is more a theoretical construct than anything else though, as no Senator has been subject to a recall election in 40 years, and then it was struck down by the courts.

So as a practical matter you're probably right.  


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tried in AZ recently (0.00 / 0)
I think the deal is that Congress is given the power to excommunicate its own members, but the law has been interpreted not to allow states to do recalls.  Arizona tried to end-run this by having candidates sign a pledge that if a vote of no confidence were held and the no confidence vote prevailed, that the senator would agree to resign, thus avoiding the state actually taking the action to remove the senator.  Apparently it went nowhere, but it's an interesting ploy that would need a heck of a lot of support to succeed.  In CT, it seems to be exceedingly difficult to get any but the most urgent or obvious legislation passed.  This would have to be in their faces and a majority of them (including all those Joe has "mentored" and supported on his coattails over the years) would have to feel the flame under their butts and be moved to do something.

Why does the phrase "not in this lifetime" keep flitting through my mind...


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Ned and Unsavory Joe (0.00 / 0)
I've met Ned; I've talked with him. He's a first class guy and definitely Senate caliber. Not surprisingly, he's on target regarding Unsavory Joe.  By the way, I'm as outraged as anyone regarding Harry's decision to retain Joe as Chairman of Homeland Security. What would it take to get rid of Joe? high treason? ..and only if he mailed a video-taped confession to each member of Congress?  

Has? (0.00 / 0)
Has everyone forgot about LIE-berman and his hand in ENRON?

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